futureball
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Retail store and Fields
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Post by futureball on May 2, 2014 15:29:51 GMT -5
Hey guys sorry I haven't posted anything earlier, there actually have been two bb pistols found out on urban, I'm going to take the one we recently found to the police department, just wondering however supposedly someone filed something already? If so please come to my shop and give me the officers number so that I may turn it in to them. Also not to say that I was negligent but I personally tested a large number of guns in the morning prior to play, and if someone was doing something malicious ( I'm almost positive they were) they had snuck it in. Also we don't have the right to search anyone, all I can do if something like that happens is chrono everyone. The reason we didn't chrono the other team is because of which way Evan was facing when he was hit. There was no one from yellow team in front of Evan. Certain other possibilities were brought up afterwards such as maybe they had a bb pistol in their dump pouch, or even a pocket. I did everything I could think of post Evan being shot. I'm sorry if some of you don't think we did everything we could, but I'm not particularly trained in this kind of thing. To be honest I was red hot pissed about the whole thing, but I did everything I thought was right at the time. I even had one of the refs walk in the back of everyone to make sure no one dumped anything. I do want to mention everyone will be chronoed pistols and rifles every time they come to futureball. This was completely unacceptable and will not be tolerated at all. If we catch any players bringing a bb/pellet/real steel weapon to our fields we will at the very least ban that player for life, anyone caught sneaking it in I will personally get authorities involved. I want people to know this is not going to happen again. We will make absolute sure of it.
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Post by Ogre on May 2, 2014 17:33:42 GMT -5
Also we don't have the right to search anyone, all I can do if something like that happens is chrono everyone. You guys run the field, you have every right to search people. If they don't comply then you kick them out. If they refuse,to leave then they get escorted off the property, simple as that.
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Post by Squirrel on May 2, 2014 20:06:44 GMT -5
Also we don't have the right to search anyone, all I can do if something like that happens is chrono everyone. You guys run the field, you have every right to search people. If they don't comply then you kick them out. If they refuse,to leave then they get escorted off the property, simple as that. That statement is a little off, there are many stipulations when it comes to a business searching its customers. A private property owner that is not acting within the bounds of a government official or law enforcement officer / state or federal institution is not bound by the 4th Amendment to follow follow probable cause laws when it comes to searching customers. That being said, searching somebody's person and effects can only be done so on a completely voluntary basis. You must also be extremely careful not do do anything that could be construed to violate civil or personal rights. A minor should never be searched without their guardian present to observe the search even if the search is only a visible search, and anything opened is done so by the party being searched. In order for a business owner to cover themselves, part of the field waver should clearly state why searches are being done, the terms of the search, and what in particular is being searched for; knives, bb guns, real guns, dangerous items, ect. Your terms need to state that searches of players can occur at any point, not just when entering the property. You also need to state that anybody who chooses to deny a search can be removed from the property without refund. All of your terms have to be plainly written and visible and known to your customers. People freak out when the term search is thrown around, and they are quick to lawyer up if they feel they were in any way violated, especially when a minor is involved. TL:DR Somebody is about to think they know more than me and say that nothing I wrote matters and property owners can do what they want. I promise you, you really need to cover your ass these days.
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Post by Stinger on May 2, 2014 22:54:31 GMT -5
Hey guys sorry I haven't posted anything earlier, there actually have been two bb pistols found out on urban... Hey, can you please provide me with pictures and/or descriptions of said pistols? I have a lot of video of the day. I was on the team opposing Evan, and my squad and I were on the side of the field that Evan was on. This means the shooter was near us. I'm trying to narrow it down, so I want to know what to look for.
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Post by X on May 3, 2014 10:03:52 GMT -5
Also we don't have the right to search anyone, all I can do if something like that happens is chrono everyone. You guys run the field, you have every right to search people. If they don't comply then you kick them out. If they refuse,to leave then they get escorted off the property, simple as that. If things got so bad that we had to search every player that would be the day that I quit playing. I don't think we're at that point yet. Sent from my XT1080 using proboards
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Post by Stinger on May 3, 2014 10:54:46 GMT -5
You guys run the field, you have every right to search people. If they don't comply then you kick them out. If they refuse,to leave then they get escorted off the property, simple as that. If things got so bad that we had to search every player that would be the day that I quit playing. I don't think we're at that point yet. Sent from my XT1080 using proboards We're not even close. This was an isolated incident at a field which has been frequently criticized for improper safety guidelines.
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