Prophet501
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Post by Prophet501 on Jan 9, 2014 21:09:35 GMT -5
I'm looking into a two point sling for my M4. I'm either going to get a sling swivel for my crane stock, or find one that runs through the small slot below the cheek rest. I was looking into the Blue Force Gear Vickers Tactical two point, but to be honest I don't know a whole lot about slings. For a while I had a one point bungee sling, back when I ran a SCAR covered in attachment points but this new M4 (An FMG4 VFC/Lonex OEM) didn't come with a rear sling attachment point. Can someone point me in the right direction? Even a link to a previous thread would help (I couldn't find one)
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Post by ctres on Jan 9, 2014 22:00:46 GMT -5
The vtac and vcas seem to still be the most popular slings in the realm two-points. Both are pretty basic slings with a nice quick adjust feature. I personally have a vtac padded and I love it. Both are great slings and while I haven't run a vcas I like the vtac for a two main reasons. 1. Material: The vtac has a silky smooth type of webbing and fabric on the padded part. This makes the sling a bit more comfortable against chaffing on the neck if you aren't wearing a collar and also helps it slide over gear nicely. The vcas fabric is a bit more conventional and doesn't really have that benefit AFIK. 2. The vtac allows you to cinch the sling all the way down to bring the sling close to the body. It's not something you need often in airsoft but it is nice to have.
As far as mounting options go it is all personal preference when it comes to swivels/loops/attached to stock vs reciver end plate, etc. That is something you will probably have to play around with until you find something that suits you.
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Post by Gimpalong on Jan 10, 2014 9:32:32 GMT -5
I'll echo ctres on the vtac.
I've owned both a padded vcas and a standard vtac. I sold the vcas because it was a) difficult to adjust because the material is so heavy and b) it didn't have the same range of adjustment as the vtac.
The primary difference between the two, other than materials, is that the vtac has a "tail" when fully cinched down. This tail can get caught in gear, wrapped around your rifle, etc. The vcas has a slider that doesn't leave a tail, but as a result has a shorter range of adjustment.
Despite the tail, I still prefer the vtac.
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Post by Squirrel on Jan 10, 2014 10:14:21 GMT -5
If you want to stick with your single point bungee, you could always install a buffer tube washer QD mount like one of these. www.evike.com/products/27458/There are plenty of cheaper options out there as well.
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Post by Knief on Jan 10, 2014 11:17:25 GMT -5
Mark Owen suggests the VTAC and against one points. For what it's worth, I also love my VTAC padded two point.
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Post by Zorak on Jan 10, 2014 11:21:50 GMT -5
Wow that's a big image.
Airsoft is not real combat; for my money, the convertible one-two type works best. As a two point it keeps the replica snug and out of the way when you're standing around or hiking. Switch to one point when it's game on, and you get freer movement and really easy side-to-side transitions. Actual shooters may not shoot from their weak side much (or so I gather on the internet), but they rarely worry about getting guys out from behind cover, because they have grenades, artillery, and long-term squadmates. We have to fall back on "hey, you, flank that way!" and reflexes.
Edit: I wouldn't bother trying to attach a sling mount to your buffer tube. That slot in the Crane stock works fine. Some designs go through and wrap around; my setup just goes into that slot, through a triglide, and back through the slot. Never had a problem with it.
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Post by Squirrel on Jan 10, 2014 11:26:55 GMT -5
The biggest advantage I can think of with a 2 point sling is doing an arm wrap with the sling to give you a little more stable shooting platform from the standing and kneeling position. Not super relevant in airsoft though as I can hold steady enough for a 8 inch group 30 yards or so with my AEG.
It does help considerably when shooting from my deer blind at long distances when I can't get a good point to rest the rifle on.
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ctres
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Post by ctres on Jan 10, 2014 11:38:35 GMT -5
One other thing to consider is wearing the sling the in the opposite to normal way. For instance for a righty this would mean the sling goes under the right shoulder then over the left. This actually has a couple of benefits, the most important being that it allows you to transition to the weak side while in two point mode without having to do any crazy looping of the left arm through the sling to get it out of the way. It also gives you a nice muzzle down carry when you sling it behind you and in my experience it tends to not get caughton gear as much. I believe this way was mentioned by Mark Owen as well and you can see it in quite a few NSW pictures.
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Post by Abbot on Jan 10, 2014 11:42:14 GMT -5
I've presonally used both a one point as well as a three point sling (using it as a two point most of the time)
I hate my one point sling. Whenever I want to set down my rifle or just rest it somewhere, it's bouncing around (right where I don't want it to...)way too much for comfort's sake. You have to keep your hand on your rifle when you aren't shooting it which becomes extremely annoying. Pros: It's easier to fire and easier to move your gun around without the sling getting in the way. It's also easier to transition from one arm to the other.
With the three point, I disliked the amount of sling material (but a two point has a lot less material) but I loved the ability to carry it backpack style (only possible with 3-point slings) as well as just carry it african style (barrel pointed down). It was much easier to rest the gun when I wasn't using it.
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Post by Gimpalong on Jan 10, 2014 13:05:06 GMT -5
As far as shooting on your weak side, it all comes down to practice. Obviously with a single point it's as easy as switching hands. With a two-point sling, I just come out of the sling entirely, switch hands, shoot the guy, and then go back into the sling. Generally, if I'm shooting from my weak side I'm firing from a static position not sprinting around. I agree with Zorak though as far as the "multi-mission" convertible slings. They offer a lot of versatility. The only thing I didn't like about my MS-2 was that when switching from one- to two-point mode you have to unclip the sling entirely from one sling point and then snap the little alligator clip thing to that front attachment bit on the sling. So for a brief period your sling isn't fully attached to your rifle. This is shown at roughly 1:45 in the video below. They may have changed this somehow with the MS-3 versions. Extremely awkward video of Costa showing off the MS-2
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Prophet501
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Post by Prophet501 on Jan 11, 2014 18:18:32 GMT -5
Thanks for all the input guys. I forgot about the Magpul MS slings but the VTAC sounds like my best option. (On a side note I didn't think VTAC stood for Viking Tactics. Could have swore that was one of the things Larry Vickers helped design)
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ctres
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Post by ctres on Jan 11, 2014 18:40:21 GMT -5
Vtac=Viking Tacticas and VCAS=Vickers Combat Adjustable Sling.
Either one will serve you well but if I had to choose again I certainly wouldn't hesitate to choose the vtac again.
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Post by Bones on Jan 12, 2014 4:36:43 GMT -5
I tend to like the Magpul sling in the one point config for CQB. The Vtac 2 point for the longer duration field games.
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