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Post by Tank on Nov 5, 2013 10:24:38 GMT -5
This doesn't surprise me at all however, as chronoing has never been consistent or present with Sam. I greatly dislike the way hes done it, and wouldn't play there is I had a better alternative in the immediate area. Quite upset to hear him telling people how to bypass the chrono, but again, not surprised. Didn't think that you did, I just wanted people reading this thread to know if a hot replica was on the field it wasn't because I allowed it. I've wanted to comment so many times through out this thread, but I didn't want to come across like I was being defensive or trying to justify things. What I was asked to do, and what I was allowed to do were two different things. I can at least proudly say that I did everything in my power to make the event go well, and what ended up happening was well out of my control. I think the field has potential, but until the rules are enforced on a consistent basis, and the mentality of some of the regulars ( I saw this when I was working out there as well) is changed, it's not an enjoyable venue. There are locations I refuse to go to because of the very same things, and it's sad. I understand it's a business and you need to somewhat cater to your clientele, but when you put people's safety at risk it's not worth it. I believe I speak for everyone here when I say that none of us blame you for anything that happened. The only fun that was to be had that night, was when you were actually allowed to run the games. When Sam poked his noise in, everything went to hell. I also saw you turning people away, as you indicated. Sam was right there with his regulars, telling them how to circumvent the chrono (I witnessed this first hand and was dumbfounded). I understand that he is trying to keep his regulars happy and let them shoot guns that he likely sold them, but it is NEVER ok to do this when it puts other peoples' safety at risk. One day he will learn this the hard way. Waivers don't mean crap to a lawyer, especially when the stated safety rules are circumvented by the company itself. The field itself was decent. Pagan, if you are allowed to run a private game there, I would attend. Honestly, I'd like to see a real zombie game run outside, with limited ammo. More limited than what we were allowed at this game. I'm talking something in the lines of survivors with just a couple pistol magazines of ammo. Then they have to make their way to their ammo cache with what limited ammo they have. After that, possibly need to locate an antidote. It would be shorter rec style games. Maybe have teams of 5 to 10 playing as survivors, then have 5 times that amount as zombies, and keep switching it around till every team has run through it. Then move on to some other regular rec games. I think run properly, a zombie game has a lot of potential, but not a hole night worth.
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Post by tankmeyer on Nov 5, 2013 11:40:36 GMT -5
Didn't think that you did, I just wanted people reading this thread to know if a hot replica was on the field it wasn't because I allowed it. I've wanted to comment so many times through out this thread, but I didn't want to come across like I was being defensive or trying to justify things. What I was asked to do, and what I was allowed to do were two different things. I can at least proudly say that I did everything in my power to make the event go well, and what ended up happening was well out of my control. I think the field has potential, but until the rules are enforced on a consistent basis, and the mentality of some of the regulars ( I saw this when I was working out there as well) is changed, it's not an enjoyable venue. There are locations I refuse to go to because of the very same things, and it's sad. I understand it's a business and you need to somewhat cater to your clientele, but when you put people's safety at risk it's not worth it. I believe I speak for everyone here when I say that none of us blame you for anything that happened. The only fun that was to be had that night, was when you were actually allowed to run the games. When Sam poked his noise in, everything went to hell. I also saw you turning people away, as you indicated. Sam was right there with his regulars, telling them how to circumvent the chrono (I witnessed this first hand and was dumbfounded). I understand that he is trying to keep his regulars happy and let them shoot guns that he likely sold them, but it is NEVER ok to do this when it puts other peoples' safety at risk. One day he will learn this the hard way. Waivers don't mean crap to a lawyer, especially when the stated safety rules are circumvented by the company itself. The field itself was decent. Pagan, if you are allowed to run a private game there, I would attend. Honestly, I'd like to see a real zombie game run outside, with limited ammo. More limited than what we were allowed at this game. I'm talking something in the lines of survivors with just a couple pistol magazines of ammo. Then they have to make their way to their ammo cache with what limited ammo they have. After that, possibly need to locate an antidote. It would be shorter rec style games. Maybe have teams of 5 to 10 playing as survivors, then have 5 times that amount as zombies, and keep switching it around till every team has run through it. Then move on to some other regular rec games. I think run properly, a zombie game has a lot of potential, but not a hole night worth. This was the third time I played airsoft and the first time playing with all of you and those who were not regulars and things went great on that end until we has to deal with them on the field. I had decided after a couple of years to give this a try again and I can safely say that if none of you guys were there, I would had thought the crap going on was normal and I would have stopped playing right there and then. I have worked with Pagan on something other than airsoft, so, I know the kind of guy he is and know that he is a fair guy that would not do anything to put people in harms way. I like the idea that Tank had for the survival game. Sounds like fun.
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Post by thewolf on Nov 5, 2013 11:44:24 GMT -5
I'm only going to comment on something from experience.
When I ran a indoor field I followed the MIA rules because I chose to do for safety. Because of that business was rough because so many people had guns that shot hot. I ran it as more of a hobby than a business and that's why I don't have the field anymore. Looking at as a business I understand why fps limits are lacking, not that I agree, just fact.
Holding private games is the easiest solution to this. Sam meeds to earn money to keep the business up and running. Like they say can't make everyone on happy. Need to look at majority of clientele to see what he has to be done. This is my option and nothing else. I neither support or condone his business practice and will not pick sides. The more players that show up and force issues, with in reason, can change the play style.
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Post by X on Nov 5, 2013 13:17:45 GMT -5
I suppose if everyone wants to show up and get shot to hell with hot guns then that's their choice. I just feel bad for the kids. I imagine if you told the parents that there are places their kid can go to that are much safer, most would never look back.
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Post by Bishop (Task-Force Nightmare) on Nov 5, 2013 13:24:10 GMT -5
I suppose if everyone wants to show up and get shot to hell with hot guns then that's their choice. I just feel bad for the kids. I imagine if you told the parents that there are places their kid can go to that are much safer, most would never look back. Sent from my XT1080 using proboards I like seeing younger members of the airsoft community start out and play, but not when they are being taught the wrong things. Thats when they grow up hating MiA because of the rules we have. I totally agree with you. Sent from my SCH-I535 using proboards
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Post by thewolf on Nov 5, 2013 14:15:59 GMT -5
That's kinda what I'm saying. Because I chose to follow MIA rules a lot of players went else were. Because of MY choice my business suffered. Not complaining met great players, but business is business. If you show the player base for MIA rules he could change. As far as I know fri and sat are suppose to be 350 fps or less. I'm all for the indoor fps being ensured but not my call.
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Post by voodoo on Nov 5, 2013 17:59:14 GMT -5
Not to get TOO off topic but I like were Tanks head is at. It sounds like you got a great idea for a zombie/rec game day. Now let's make it happen!
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Post by T-Dog on Nov 5, 2013 18:07:09 GMT -5
I like seeing younger members of the airsoft community start out and play, but not when they are being taught the wrong things. Thats when they grow up hating MiA because of the rules we have. I totally agree with you. Sent from my SCH-I535 using proboards I am 13 and went there from the MiA Forums, The third game I had enough of getting shot by people outside of the field(not playing, just testing guns). So I left after that and getting shot up the arm(and on the knuckle), by a person who had a CO2 gun that shot to hot, he kept shooting after I called my hit even, never going back there. PS: It was my first game of "legitimate" airsoft.
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Post by Bishop (Task-Force Nightmare) on Nov 5, 2013 18:16:10 GMT -5
I like seeing younger members of the airsoft community start out and play, but not when they are being taught the wrong things. Thats when they grow up hating MiA because of the rules we have. I totally agree with you. Sent from my SCH-I535 using proboards I am 13 and went there from the MiA Forums, The third game I had enough of getting shot by people outside of the field(not playing, just testing guns). So I left after that and getting shot up the arm(and on the knuckle), by a person who had a CO2 gun that shot to hot, he kept shooting after I called my hit even, never going back there. PS: It was my first game of "legitimate" airsoft. I suggest taking that first impression you received from that game and throw it in the trash. Try and make it out to a No Limits game or a game at Hole in The Wall, it will make you much happier. Sent from my SCH-I535 using proboards
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Post by T-Dog on Nov 5, 2013 18:47:17 GMT -5
Sent from my SCH-I535 using proboards Kir(from 3.14) said he would vouch for me going to the OP: Croatan, So all I need to do is convince my parents to drive me. I'm going to take that as my first airsoft experience.
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Post by Bishop (Task-Force Nightmare) on Nov 5, 2013 18:51:31 GMT -5
Well I'll be seeing you there.
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Post by T-Dog on Nov 5, 2013 20:48:20 GMT -5
Well I'll be seeing you there. Sent from my SCH-I535 using proboards Just look for the guy in the cheapest gear, with the exception of my L96.
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Post by Carnage on Nov 6, 2013 0:19:28 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but I'm glad I skipped out on this. I can't stand zombie games to begin with, honestly. Everytime I've played one it's gone to shit. On the up side, I was there earlier in the day from 11-3 with my team and Novak, and experienced no problems that I can remember. I am also a regular and can't say the info presented is false. The higher FPS regs that typically take hold don't bother me much though (I completely understand the ramifications, however). I started out at Phoenix Tactical almost 3 years ago and people shot hot back then. I guess I've just built up a tolerance to it...
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Post by Jeff on Nov 6, 2013 8:11:39 GMT -5
I'm glad we attended. While there were certainly some issues (there always are), I'm sure we will visit again. At any Rec game, we always prepare for: - Someone using a hot gun (no matter how vigilant the host) - Someone not calling their hits (usually, but certainly not always, a younger player) - Someone that believes they are above the rules (in this case the field owner/operator)
Because of these things when my boys and I attend rec games: we play with full face masks and layers; we play with some grace for the younger/newer folks (for whom we try to be examples); and we play with the attitude that some trigger time with issues/problems is better than no trigger time at all. We always seem to have fun.
I truly believe there is no substitute for being a good example of what you expect from others. If you can do this (and have fun doing it), the rest takes care of itself in the long run.
My willingness to tolerate imperfection doesn't mean we should compromise on our MIA standards. I'm simply in favor of being tolerant of those trying to strike a balance between high safety/player standards, and running a business (where you're thankful for every paying customer).
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Post by thewolf on Nov 7, 2013 8:25:42 GMT -5
Well said Jeff.
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