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Post by Doctor on Oct 21, 2013 16:18:00 GMT -5
Alright, i have done research on systemas and would like oppinions from the good people of michigan. I am considering getting a systema tw5 in the spring. My reasoning is that I like the mp5 platform, I like the realism of the 40 round mags and the electronic fire stop. I do not like getting into gearboxes and messing with things and hoping I can put it all back together right. Essentially I am looking for a gun i dont have to upgrade in order to get it to perform. I haven't found anything on mia that voice concerns with systema. If there is such a thread, I appologize for the wazte of a thread. I look forward to your responses.
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Post by Caboose on Oct 21, 2013 16:49:12 GMT -5
I have nothing against the TW5; someone at my field had one for a few years, never opened it, and it performed very well.
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Post by Thor on Oct 21, 2013 17:01:00 GMT -5
Just because you're spending that much money doesn't mean you won't still have problems. Systemas break too, and they're usually a lot more expensive and involved to fix when they do. They have optical sensors that can burn out and other sensitive electronics, so don't plan on ever getting it wet or using it in the rain. Seriously.
Systemas are great for a very small subset of people. Those with the cash to purchase one up front and then be able to afford repairs without even thinking about spending $200 or $300 a pop when something does fail.
Think of it like this: A Systema is like the supercar of the airsoft world. They are awesome when they work, and they work really well, but if anything at all goes wrong they are expensive and a pain to fix.
Bear in mind too that Systemas are not wonderguns. They don't all just magically reach out 150 yards with laser beam precision.
And bear in mind, I was briefly involved in selling these to military and Law Enforcement. For that application absolutely they are worth the money as they are the most realistic electronic airsoft weapon out there. The only other thing that comes closer in terms of replicating function is a GBBR, and they're a whole other can of worms. But you have to sit there and think about how much you're really going to use it to justify the cost. To get a decent loadout with that, you're probably looking at an initial investment of over 1500 bucks after mags and maybe a couple of cylinders to be able to change your FPS.
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Post by X on Oct 21, 2013 17:08:20 GMT -5
I just feel like you could buy Tokyo Marui and have a gun that's performs the same for 1/3 the cost. I've thought about buying one now that I have a real job and disposable income, but it just seems like a waste. The only thing cool about it in my opinion is that you are in the SystemA club.
Sent from my XT1080 using proboards
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Post by Doctor on Oct 21, 2013 17:50:41 GMT -5
I do appreciate all of your responses and after thinking long and hard I think I will opt for something else a little on the cheaper side. Thank you all for the voices.
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Post by cqbr on Oct 21, 2013 19:50:25 GMT -5
If you do get one don't get the TW5. The fact that they are discontinued is going to make parts nearly impossible to find. That and they aren't nearly as user friendly as the M4's.
A PTW can definitely be matched and beaten outdoors but nothing comes close for indoor stuff IMO.
If you are finding yourself needing to donate blood on top of selling everything you own just to get one, its probably not for you TBH.
Edit: Out of curiosity did you actually line up a new TW5 CK for yourself somewhere? Or were you just planning to try and find one in the spring time?
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Post by snafu on Oct 21, 2013 20:43:53 GMT -5
If you are set on getting an mp5 I would really consider the ICS MX5-PRO. I've heard nothing but good things about the build quality and realism of this particular aeg. It also has a bit of cool and innovative features like a split gearbox, a new 3 round burst system, and a spring tension release function. www.popularairsoft.com/reviews/ics-mx5-pro-a5-aeg
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Post by Doctor on Oct 21, 2013 20:56:02 GMT -5
Well airsplat has them in stock but I feel money can be invested in an entire setup for less than the initial price of the gun. I am not a loaded fellow and any repairs will need to be done cheaply.
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Post by X on Oct 22, 2013 6:14:08 GMT -5
A PTW can definitely be matched and beaten outdoors but nothing comes close for indoor stuff IMO. I'm curious, what makes you say that? Specifically, how does it excel indoors? Sent from my XT1080 using proboards
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Post by Gimpalong on Oct 22, 2013 8:27:23 GMT -5
I'd also suggest the ICS MX5-PRO. There are a bunch of reviews available for it, so you can read up. If you want info from a MiA member, PM Zander. Zander
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Post by Knife on Oct 22, 2013 13:34:28 GMT -5
X, the trigger response and reliable feeding makes them great for CQB. JD can probably go into it more, but they are hard to beat in the reliability in that area.
I used a TW5 for 12 or so hours at Pine Plains three? years ago. I loved it. It is fairly heavy for an MP5 replica, especially compared to the TM one I use from time to time. The two downsides that I remember were that the mags had a tendency to release the BBs if the feed lips were bumped. This is something you'd probably get used to if you were using it frequently. The other being that the battery was in the stock. I'm not sure how difficult or if it would be possible to route the wires into the grip for use with a slither stock. I don't remember having any issues with it. It was borrowed from a couple of guys who worked at ZShot at the time, so there may have been work done on it.
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Post by Zander on Oct 24, 2013 19:17:56 GMT -5
I really like my ICS MX5 PRO. It is definitely the closest you will get to a Systema TW5, at least features wise out of the box. The build quality is excellent, on the heavier side though due to the stamped steel receiver.
The best part is that you can have multiple upper gearboxes (I cant remember if it has a quick swap spring) similar to swapping cylinders in the Systema.
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Post by unitedasone on Dec 28, 2013 1:05:15 GMT -5
Systema is top of the line! You can not go wrong with those guns. As the old saying goes you get what you pay for! Systema true can be very very expensive to fix if ever broken. Sometimes there are occasional defects, but not often in systema and don't be afraid to get it wet you can fully summers that weapon over and over and never miss your target!It really comes down to how well your maintaining and taking care of your gun. A much cheaper brand for your dollar, but still is known for it's elite quality is KWA. There like the top brand under systema and range about 200.00 low end, to as high as 500.00 or better dollars New and stock! I personally recommend KWA, I've never baught another gun again!
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Post by Pagan on Dec 28, 2013 7:45:59 GMT -5
Systema is top of the line! You can not go wrong with those guns. As the old saying goes you get what you pay for! Systema true can be very very expensive to fix if ever broken. Sometimes there are occasional defects, but not often in systema and don't be afraid to get it wet you can fully summers that weapon over and over and never miss your target!It really comes down to how well your maintaining and taking care of your gun. A much cheaper brand for your dollar, but still is known for it's elite quality is KWA. There like the top brand under systema and range about 200.00 low end, to as high as 500.00 or better dollars New and stock! I personally recommend KWA, I've never baught another gun again! unitedasone, This topic has been dead for a few months. Please refrain from posting in dead threads if you are not going to add anything useful or new. The OP asked about a specific system, and you really didn't add anything extra about it, and then offered an option on a brand not asked about.
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Post by unitedasone on Dec 28, 2013 18:10:38 GMT -5
My apologies gentleman, I will refrain from posting until I have a much better understanding about your way of order!
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