So as you all might have already saw, I completely destroyed my SCARs GB. I've been trying to pick up a complete Marui GB in the commerece, but so far nothings come up. I've been considering just picking up a G&P reinforced complete V2 GB. This exact one here:
I've heard that G&Ps can be somewhat hit or miss, but I can assume that it will be much better than any clone GB out there. I have completely given up on all clones for now, and want to stick to the good stuff. Now, I do plan on upgrading this in the future, but what can I expect from it bone stock? Probably just going to run it stock for a while if it gives me fairly good performance. I'm assuming its LiPo ready, but I only plan on running a 7.4v so that's not too concerning.
I am also considering picking up this motor as well with the package. (JG blue, I believe.)
Awesome, glad to hear you guys have had positive experiences. And that's not too bad, CQBR. I'm pretty decent at soldering so that won't be a problem. Thanks for the heads up though, I was not aware of this before.
The G&P 8mm gearbox is excellent Mike. The only issue I've ever had with either have mine has been sometimes when firing on semi it will act like its jammed and I have to switch to full auto real quick and do a quick burst. It seems this is a very common problem. Also, you should look into a Lonex motor they are the bees knees.
My G&P Magpul M4 has this same issue as snafu’s G&Ps. You may have to swap springs. My m4 was shooting much higher than the stated fps, out of the box it was shooting 450 fps, 480 fps with a 550mm tbb.
Primary – KWA M4 RIS, G&P Magpul M4, Custom King Arms M4A1, GI G4 PWS, WE KAC PDW, WE M4, G&G M4 Raider Shorty, Custom Polarstar, G&G G26 Black Rose
Secondary – KSC G18c X2, KSC G17, KJW 1911
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Yeah the 8mm G&P V2 GBs are legit. Just get a G&P M120 and you're set. Unfortunately I don't know about the compatibility of dropping it into a SCAR. I've only had my G&P GB in G&P lower and upper receivers.
G&P MK23 - SMP G&P MK18 - STAR FNC x2 - Tokyo Marui MP5 - CA M24 - UTG M3 - Cybergun M&P 9
450 FPS does seem a little bit high. Oh and by the way, just wanna say thank you Snafu for your recommendation. You're the broski who gave me the idea to pick one of these up. Many <3s.
I've heard that the GB MAY require slight modification to work in a SCAR. From what I can see in the pictures provided on evike.com, they look identical. I plan on installing this with Fugazi and/or Ghast, (If hes available) so I bet we can get it to work eventually.
I'd recommend Lonex over a G&P but either one needs some work for my standards. Both Lonex and G&P have nice 8mm shells and bearings. The Lonex has way nicer airseal parts though, particularly the piston. The Lonex is also available in many different flavors which vary by spring rating and gear ratio.
To run either one long term I'd recommend a fet, AOE correction with sorbo, and a reshim and regrease. Either one should last a while stock but if you do those things you can pretty much run them indefinitely on an 11.1.
Another thing to note is that since the scar has that weird ambi selector deal you need to make sure the shell you get has the right holes for the little gear that connects the two selectors.
The JG blue is a great motor but that is a lot to pay for one. I think you can get one for around $20 on HK sites. The SHS/matrix high torque motors are also great and are quite fast. They will do about 30rps with standard gears on an 11.1 whereas the jg will do about 20. I am currently running a Frankentorque motor I built from an SHS neodynium magnet can and a stock dboys armature. Since the arm has so many winds it has a ridiculous amount of torque with the neo magnets but is very slow. It is doing about 16 rps on 16:1 gears with an 11.1 and has awesome trigger response and also runs super cool. In the same setup my jg blue did 24rps.
Post by MayhemXXXFrosty (AndrewMp5k) on Aug 9, 2013 16:43:42 GMT -5
Whatever you end up going with for motor, just be careful in what you get. My teammate got a Matrix Blue motor and it was shooting 38BPS on a stock G&P gearbox and just completely annihilated it (was of course on an 11.1v, might not see that with a 7.4v).
Another thing to note, as far as I remember you will need a new Air Nozzle. I'm not familiar with what kind of SCAR you have, but I know that the clone SCARs have excessively longer nozzles than M4 nozzles. So you will need to replace that if your SCAR is indeed a clone as well.
I ordered a bunch of G&P gearboxes for my guns/teammates when they first went on sale on Evike. You used to be able to pick between regular wired motor connectors, or G&P's. It seems they now just offer G&P's which sucks, but you can pick up Lonex motor tabs for cheap and remove the G&P tabs.
ctres you have to remember that unless it's free shipping from that particular HK site, than he'll still be paying near that. Not to mention he's getting both the motor/gearbox in one place instead of two.
I'll have to mention that G&P's usually come shimmed just a tad too tight. I usually go back through every new gearbox to reshim it no matter what, but they can be a hit or a miss with shimming.
Also out of the 4 G&P Gearboxes that I have ordered, all shot over 400 or close to it (keep in mind they were supposed to be the 340fps versions and not the 400's). I did get a 5th one that had the spring chopped which I was really pissed about, but I was planning on putting a different spring in from the get-go because of the previous experiences with the G&P's being a bit too hot. My primary's G&P gearbox was shooting around 440.
So, just to recap *Resolder the motor tabs *Reshim the gearbox *Replace the Air Nozzle
Do that, and you should be all set.
Lonex's would be the better option, but they are indeed a lot more expensive.
Tigertacticalairsoft has the Lonex ones for cheaper but they still like double the price of the G&P. I am personally very satisfied with my lonex, but I have also changed a lot of parts to better fit my needs. Overall the G&P is better bang for your buck, but the fit and finish of the Lonex is top notch. The trigger and ARL fi perfectly and never pop out when you are closing the shell which certainly makes it much less frustrating to work on than most other gearboxes. Since I spend a lot of time with my gearbox open and it is being used for my long term primary I chose the Lonex and I think the price is justified. If you aren't a tweaker and you just want to close it up and run it until something breaks then go with the G&P for sure.
Also, as Mayhem mentioned, stay away from the matrix/shs blue speed motors. They are super fast but draw tons of power and run quite hot. They will also anihilate your gearbox if you haven't taken the proper precautions.
I am quite confident with myself being able to open and close a gearbox myself, so that isn't a problem at all, I am not new to that game. I have inspected the air nozzle of my *EX* SCARs GB and it looks identical to most V2 air nozzles out there. I think I'll be OK with what comes in the GB, but I will order an extra one just in case. Thanks for the heads up, Andrew.
I appreciate the comment regarding the JG Blues Ctres, but I will shim my GB to *perfection*, and I won't be running anything other than a 7.4v LiPo, so I feel like the G&P will suit me just fine for now. Lonex is way beyond my price range, 172$ is a little bit steep for me. If and when I decide to upgrade, Lonex parts will definitely be a brand I will consider.