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Post by Simon on Jul 21, 2013 23:07:32 GMT -5
Ever since I held and fired one of these replicas earlier this year I've wanted one. However I haven't been able to find any more relevant information on this forum other than a thread from '09. I would like to get the opinions of anybody that's owned or used one on their reliability, accuracy and practicality. Any help is appreciated.
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Post by Zorak on Jul 21, 2013 23:16:55 GMT -5
I heard they were out of business.
I have one of their AK-74SUs and it was a piece of shit. The inner barrel absolutely sucked - I'm talking 6 inch groups at 10 feet. The trigger was very, very heavy, enough so that I was lucky to manage two balls per second on semi. I took it to Irene and felt like I was carrying around an air system just for the privilege of sucking. I did buy a replacement inner barrel but I never got it dialed in right. The inner barrel screws into a block that screws into the feed tube, which makes it really frustrating to get everything lined up just so. If it's not just so everything still comes together just fine until you discover that you can't seat a magazine. I'm sure that with a few more hours and another set of hands I could have gotten it just right, but eventually I realized that I have about six AEGs that already work well, shoot quick on semi, and don't need air systems. Hell with it.
I may try a P-star someday but Daytona are dead to me.
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Post by Simon on Jul 22, 2013 0:34:01 GMT -5
I read that in the thread from '09 but thanks for the input. Currently TnkGuns is the US Daytona gun authorized seller/distributor. The one you used was probably an older generation. They're in the 4th or 5th generation or so I gathered from other forums. And from the experience of being on the receiving end of a newer one I gotta think they improved the accuracy problem.
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Post by M.S.-ARC on Jul 22, 2013 7:28:34 GMT -5
Check with Zander. I know he's got one and he may be able to point you in the right direction.
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Post by slippy on Jul 22, 2013 8:48:12 GMT -5
I was under the impression that they are out of business as well so I went with a polarstar and haven't looked back. Hell, I even sold off my kwa a couple days ago. Honestly I would just go that route. I know people are always saying "but dg's have recoil". While this is true I'd be willing to bet that if you walked up to any ranger or SF operator and said "would you take a normal 416 over one that had almost no recoil?" The answer would almost always be the same.
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Post by Gimpalong on Jul 22, 2013 8:54:29 GMT -5
No, Daytonagun is still around. As was already mentioned, you can contact Tony Rizzo at TNK Guns and start the process of acquiring a Daytonagun. There was some sort of brew-up a while back related to DG and claims that they were going out of business, but it seems like that has been squared away. Zander has one and there was an entire squad of DGs at OP: NL IV. My impression is that they require a bit more care and technical know-how than Polarstars. Having seen Zander's in action, however, I do agree that they are impressive as far as recoil and cool factor.
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Post by slippy on Jul 22, 2013 9:03:00 GMT -5
Well nobody said anything about cool factor :-)
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Post by Zander on Jul 24, 2013 8:51:02 GMT -5
Late to the party, what do you specifically want to know?
Everyone that's seen mine has been impressed so far. It is very far from the sewing machine that most AEG's are.
I'd say they are not for the feint of heart, they are heavier(all stainless internals)and slightly more labor intensive than all other replicas. If you treat it like real steel, it will work flawlessly. Proper lubing and cleaning will vastly improve reliability.
I've definitely noticed a significant improvement in accuracy since moving to a 14.5" barrel from the old 10". Is it as good as the P*? Accuracy? No. Fun factor? Most definitely (isn't that the point of airsoft).
I started out with AEG's then moved to a CTW(one of the only working ones)and then hopped on the P* bandwagon. The P* with a 509mm barrel and an R-Hop was just OP. Airsoft wasn't fun anymore. I could stand at the back and out range 95% of the people.
I used my DG to great success at NL. Sure it had a hiccup here or there (hates Bioshot BB's) but it also scared the hell out of a lot of people. Running with the rest of the DG group really was "shock and awe."
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Post by Simon on Jul 24, 2013 13:23:50 GMT -5
Specifically, I was wondering if it had enough accuracy and range to be used as a DMR. I realize anything with recoil isn't going to be a lazer every shot, but, in your opinion is it fairly accurate at range in semi-auto?
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Post by slippy on Jul 24, 2013 14:38:30 GMT -5
I've definitely noticed a significant improvement in accuracy since moving to a 14.5" barrel from the old 10". Is it as good as the P*? Accuracy? No. Fun factor? Most definitely (isn't that the point of airsoft). I started out with AEG's then moved to a CTW(one of the only working ones)and then hopped on the P* bandwagon. The P* with a 509mm barrel and an R-Hop was just OP. Airsoft wasn't fun anymore. I could stand at the back and out range 95% of the people.
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Post by Zander on Jul 24, 2013 15:16:30 GMT -5
Could it be used as a DMR? Yes. Should you? No. The whole point of a DMR would be accuracy, why wouldn't you just go with a P*?
My other point would be that DMR's are pretty pointless. Most major events do not allow them, MI is one of the only states that have rules for them as well. If you want a semi auto long range platform, just build a sniper rifle platform. Your not going to gain much from the extra 40 FPS.
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Post by Simon on Jul 24, 2013 15:51:41 GMT -5
I know an extra 40fps is useless. I also know that cranking an AEG to 500-550fps is a nightmare, and traditional green gas guns are too finicky for MI. I've already built a spring sniper rifle and it's not fun to use anymore. Could a DG handle the PSI required to get a bb near 500-550fps?
I really don't like P*. Just too many bad experiences with players who use them. Not to mention the OPness that you (zander) mentioned.
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Post by slippy on Jul 24, 2013 21:39:14 GMT -5
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Post by Simon on Jul 25, 2013 6:45:16 GMT -5
Not even close on the prices. The DG kit is $475 compared to the drop in P*'s $500. I know it's not the P*'s fault that some operators are crap. However as Zander mentioned it took the fun out of the game for him. Not to mention it eliminates most of the tech work that is half the fun of airsoft for me. Unlike others, I love to tinker with a replica for a couple hours doing maintenance and cleaning. Just like I do with my real steel after some range time. I want a DMR/Sniper Rifle with recoil because it becomes part of the challenge, the fun. I want a replica that I can aim at a target at 250-300ft and pop 5-8 rounds at it and hit it a minimum of once or twice. I don't need a lazer, I have a bolt action one. It isn't fun anymore. I would like to get back to asking if the rifle performance I described is possible out of a Daytona Gun. Any useful information about the DAYTONA GUN system is appreciated.
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Post by slippy on Jul 25, 2013 7:06:26 GMT -5
This is why I keep quoting Zander. Also, I said "cheaper when you do it yourself". Between Zorak and Zander I do believe that you've already been given an answer.
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