Fear Roback
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Post by Fear Roback on May 5, 2013 6:29:01 GMT -5
Brothers. I run the airsoft games out at Futureball, and some of the kids are crack shooting between the bunkers. I think is dirty play, but I want to get a few opinions on this. What do you all think ? should it be allowed or not ?
Thanks.
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Post by spitfire on May 5, 2013 6:40:32 GMT -5
I think its fair and in real life if you look through a crack and can see some one are you going to risk exposing your body or be smart and shoot throught the crack thats just my opion ps: at first read it sounds like the kids are doing drugs you may want to re word that
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Post by Bishop (Task-Force Nightmare) on May 5, 2013 7:32:20 GMT -5
Yeah re wording might be better, thought someone was doing crack. But I know a lot of fields who really frown upon it, or people don't call it purposely.
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Post by Pagan on May 5, 2013 7:56:49 GMT -5
Brothers. I run the airsoft games out at Futureball, and some of the kids are crack shooting between the bunkers. I think is dirty play, but I want to get a few opinions on this. What do you all think ? should it be allowed or not ? Thanks. At No Limits we say that shooting from cracks is considered blind firing. We give instructions for players to consider the structure whole.
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Gabriel
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Post by Gabriel on May 5, 2013 8:20:22 GMT -5
I have always seen it as unfair. Its similar to the blind fire rule. Blind fire prevents accidents from happening, but it also prevents unfair advantages. If someone where defending a structure, or knew that someone was coming down a hallway, they would just have to stick their gun out and spray. That is a distinct, no skill involved advantage. Crack firing does the same thing. Airsoft is meant to simulate real life, but there are places we have to draw the line for fairness and safety.
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Post by airborn on May 8, 2013 22:22:55 GMT -5
I just went out to Futureball this past weekend and I must say it ran a lot smoother with no crack shooting. I appreciate the concern of the staff at Futureball to make it more enjoyable. I had fun there. Thanks.
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Post by Human (Ghost) on May 9, 2013 12:25:03 GMT -5
I think it should be allowed as long a person can look down the barrel as blind fire rule. I know this is airsoft but in a real world battle situation if you can see it the enemy threw the hole or crack then take them out. its not unfair its smart to keep you body out of harms way. just no spray and pray its waste of ammo anyway.
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Simon
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Post by Simon on May 9, 2013 13:19:14 GMT -5
Every place I've been the rules were as long as you can see down your sights it's fine. If you can't see down your sights then it is blind firing. Even if you consider the structure whole a bb can make it through those holes. If you get hit it's still a hit and you're out.
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Post by Pagan on May 9, 2013 13:36:31 GMT -5
Every place I've been the rules were as long as you can see down your sights it's fine. If you can't see down your sights then it is blind firing. Even if you consider the structure whole a bb can make it through those holes. If you get hit it's still a hit and you're out. But do you think it's right if a player puts their barrel to the edge of the crack and fires? They can't see what's on the other side of the crack, and lets say a player is just about to walk around the corner and then gets blasted at two feet away in the ear. Yes, technically the shooter could "see" down the sights, but that is still unsafe. I'd rather be safe than sorry when it comes to players not getting injured. As far a bbs making through those cracks, we also don't count those shots for the mentioned reason above. And to clarify, I consider a crack to an inch or less. There is a big difference between a gap (2+ inches) and a crack.
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Post by M.S.-ARC on May 9, 2013 13:43:06 GMT -5
Allowing people to shoot through small cracks create bad habits. Bad habits lead to accidents.
You may be able to see straight through a crack but you can't see the immediate area right around the crack which is essentially blindfiring.
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Post by Gimpalong on May 9, 2013 14:54:10 GMT -5
You've also got to distinguish between a crack and a gap in a structure. In my mind, a crack is the tiny space between, say, two boards which are nail onto a structure to form a wall. One might be able to shoot through this crack if they put their barrel right up to it. On the other hand, structures often have gaps or slits in them which are large enough to push the whole front end (barrel, sights, etc) through. These are easy to shoot through even from a distance. I think a good, general rule of thumb is that if you can squeeze the entire front end of your rifle through a hole, gap, etc in the structure then it's ok to fire through provided you can actually see what you're firing at. If the hole clearly isn't designed to be fired through or is clearly designed not to actually be a hole (i.e. the gaps between boards nailed to the side of a structure as a wall) then people shouldn't be firing through it. In this image, the gaps are the cut outs in the board which are designed to be fired through. The cracks are the open space where the two boards have been pushed together to, essentially, form one big board. EDIT: I modified the thread name because "crack shooting" kept making me think of snorting crack or something else not PG13.
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Post by Simon on May 9, 2013 15:18:53 GMT -5
If you back off so the crack is at your MED then I think you should be able to hit people through it. It doesn't matter if the crack is on your cover or the oppositions, as long as you keep the closest one farther out than your MED. I believe that intentional or not, it is part of the field and should be part of the game. If they are used in a safe manner then what's the harm?
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Post by Abbot on May 9, 2013 15:20:01 GMT -5
Some of you guys are saying "Airsoft is about realism. In a real life scenario, if you see the guy out of a crack, then shoot him!" However, unless the structure is made of thick metal, a pile of sandbags, or thick stone, a bullet from a rifle has a darn good chance of penetrating the structure and, hence, hittin' the shooter, without having to aim at a small crack. Pretty simple, huh? In real steel, yes. Not in airsoft. As we are using plasitc bbs, there is no chance in this world of penetrating the structure.
Granted, as I said, if it was stone a pile of sandbags, or thick steel, then naturally it would be realistic to shoot out of a crack in both airsoft and real life. However, most airsoft structures that have cracks are made of wood. It's not realistic, it's unrealistic
I agree with Gabriel. It's blind fire. No! I disagree with Gabriel! It's worse than blindfire! In blind fire, what can you hit? The player's gun, and both of his hands, and maybe a bit of his arms. When he's crack shooting, what is he exposing to fire? An inch worth of target, mostly his gun. It's not blind fire. It's pure, unadulterated cheating.
Sorry guys, but it's not realistic at all it's actually, and very much so, unrealistic. Just my $0.02. Please correct me if I am incorrect.
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Post by Gimpalong on May 9, 2013 15:32:22 GMT -5
I think the point is that most structures on airsoft/paintball fields were built to represent solid structures with specific points through which to shoot (doors, windows, weapon slits, etc). Cracks that are a result of poor construction or structural deterioration weren't specifically designed to be used to shoot through. In the bunker pictured below, the windows and doors were clearly designed to be used to shoot from or into. The walls were designed to be solid, even though there are small cracks between the boards. In my mind, peppering the side of the bunker in hopes of getting a hit through a tiny crack, or running up to the wall and putting your barrel right up against a tiny crack so as to shoot through it, is pretty much abusing flaws in the structure.
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Post by M.S.-ARC on May 9, 2013 15:36:37 GMT -5
If you back off so the crack is at your MED then I think you should be able to hit people through it. It doesn't matter if the crack is on your cover or the oppositions, as long as you keep the closest one farther out than your MED. I believe that intentional or not, it is part of the field and should be part of the game. If they are used in a safe manner then what's the harm? So are you saying that every player should be at least arms length from every crack wide enough to fit a bb? What if the person behind it could be shooting at 500FPS? Should every player now be at least 50 feet away from every crack wide enough to fit a bb?
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