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Post by X on Feb 25, 2013 19:49:59 GMT -5
I'm wondering if you guys have any recommendations for a decent .30g BB? Based on my research it looks like Tokyo Marui used to make a good .30 but they longer produce it. I checked out KSC/KWA and it seems that nearly everyone says they are horrible. It looks like Madbull has gotten mixed reviews as well.
I'm looking for something that's not biodegradable. It would seem to me that the bio BBs would begin to degrade after opening them and if I was careless and left them in a humid environment they would at least degrade to the point of affecting consistency. For NL4 I will probably use Bioval .30s as the .25s seemed to work good last year.
The remaining ammo is stuff that I've never heard of before, like Golden Ball? Elite Force? P Force? Etc...
I've always run Airsoft Elite .25s, but it doesn't look like they make anything heavier than .25s. I'm looking to up the weight after installing an R-Hop into my M14. My M14 will probably end up shooting at the end of the 20' engagement limit (410 I think?). So perhaps an even heavier BB would be in order? My R-hop is tuned right now so that at the lowest setting it can still fire a .25 without over hop.
Tank is also looking for the same information.
Thanks in advance!
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Post by cqbr on Feb 25, 2013 20:19:09 GMT -5
I've used KSC 30's and 25's in all my PTW's and my AEG's for around 4 or 5 years now as they seem to be the only brand BB I've tried that doesn't chop or mis-feed in the guns/mags.
I've only gone through about 5 bags of the 30's, and haven't had any problems yet. (Around 40 or so bags of the 25's though) I just got another three pack of them from ASGI the other day as a matter of fact.
One thing they have changed recently is it seems the 'KSC' branded ones are no longer sold (At least from ASGI) as they're all marked with a black 'KWA' branding now. Not sure if that packaging change will affect the performance of the BB's or not. *shrug*
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Post by Tank on Feb 25, 2013 20:21:50 GMT -5
Thank you X, you saved me the time writing this question up, laugh. I also saw mention of .30 Maruzen and .30 Digicom. The Maruzen BBs of any weight seem to be outrageous in price, if you can find them. Do they still make them? Digicom, I've never heard of before, is it really any decent? Does anyone know where .30 Digicom can be purchased? I can't seem to find them, potentially they meant Digicon, but I'm not really seeing that weight in that brand either.
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Post by ctres on Feb 25, 2013 20:23:34 GMT -5
Goldenballs are good bbs from what I hear and they have been quite popular on the market for the last four years or so. They are quite cheap too. Bioshot and biovals are also very good.
I recall someone doing the calculation a while back on another forum someone had calculated that a gun shooting 400 fps (w/ .2) generally gets the most energy out of a .30 gram bb and actually gets less out of a lighter bb due to cylinder volume and the way the air compresses or something. Taking that into consideration, I can personally say that I have found guns shooting around 400 fps to get the best range with a bb in the .28-.30g range, and I know that r hops tend to perform best with even heavier than normal bbs, so I suspect that you could go even heavier. I think goldenball makes a .32 bb that might serve you well.
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Post by cqbr on Feb 25, 2013 20:26:45 GMT -5
Digicon was the one that made those uber-1337 graphite coated 'Sniper' BB's a while ago, and are now discontinued I think. They were cool if you had a bolt action, but running them in an AEG would put you in the poor house.
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Post by X on Feb 25, 2013 20:33:09 GMT -5
Found some interesting data. It looks like the bioshot .32s are actually .31s. Price wise if I'm going down the road of bio bbs (which seems to be more and more likely) Bioval seems to be the best deal at about 0.4 cents / BB. Bioshots are at about .425. sites.google.com/site/sonnypies/home/airsoft-bb-data |
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Post by Puma1 on Mar 20, 2013 8:48:49 GMT -5
I know this is a dead thread but I have some information:Elite force does have .32g bbs, and they work well in a friends r-hop and my bolt action. However they are bios. Ive heard they don't degrade as quickly as most as well, and if I find that info I'll post it soon. The only place I've seen them is AMS, under .32 milsim max. Hope this helped you out. Pm me with questions
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Post by X on Mar 20, 2013 9:10:16 GMT -5
Yeah it looks like all of the decent. 30s or. 32s are Bio. I actually haven't bought any yet but I did go out and buy some descant packs yesterday.
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Post by Gunny87 on Mar 20, 2013 9:14:24 GMT -5
I use Biovoal .30's and they have worked very well for me. No jamming or feeding issues. I also strongly recommend WE Match grade .30s. I tend to use their .28s personally but I've also used their .30s. Evike carries the WE match grade bb's.
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Post by Gimpalong on Mar 20, 2013 9:20:49 GMT -5
I've shot KSC .30s. They work fine, not better or worse than other .30s I've shot. I've never in my 6-7 years of playing airsoft had issues with any BBs jamming or refusing to feed due to the BBs themselves. Maybe I'm lucky! I've noticed some BBs offer worse accuracy in a direct comparison. For example, shooting Systema .20s versus Airsoft Elite .20s, I noticed that the Systemas were noticeable not as accurate in an entirely non-scientific test. YMMV. Honestly, I think there's a lot of potential for someone to take some calipers and a scale and look at different BB brands. I know for a fact that paintballs vary massively in size and weight even within the same batch, and I'd be surprised if this wasn't also the same for BBs. edit: This link is great, X! sites.google.com/site/sonnypies/home/airsoft-bb-data |
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Post by shadyair on Mar 20, 2013 9:50:02 GMT -5
Biovals are the only brand I'll run through my guns, and their .30s are great. I'll be experimenting with Bioshot next weekend to see how that goes. Personally I would stay away from Elite Force. Every time I used their BBs I had consistency issues as well as lots of flyers. Also, at Reindeer Games this past December, my entire squad, with the exception of me, was using EF BBs and none of their guns would feed. Problem was fixed as soon as I lent them some of my Bioval.
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Post by Puma1 on Mar 21, 2013 0:02:12 GMT -5
Well if you guys are willing to fund a .3G bb test I'll design a test and get you back the results, because this is actually really interesting to me (and useful).
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Post by Puma1 on Apr 8, 2013 16:22:52 GMT -5
An update; the .3 p-force bbs are surprisingly good, and deffinently worth the money. For a bolt action they're great, but as soon as I threw them in an aeg there were some flyers. I'd say buy um, but that's just me.
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Post by Priest (Immortal) on Apr 8, 2013 21:28:08 GMT -5
While I've never used the .30 weight, Goldenball Proslicks work very well. I bought 12,000 .26's a while back and not 1 bb misfed, and I didn't have a single jam. I have never used their bio bbs though and have absolutely no idea how good they are. I wish I had more info for you.
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Post by Tank on Apr 8, 2013 23:07:14 GMT -5
Not jamming, or breaking while they are fed is a good thing, but i would expect any quality BB to live up to that. In my mind the true measure is in the accuracy, especially when your forking over the dough for a .30 in any kind of quantity. The fliers mentioned above could be due to other things with the gun, but if you don't get them with other ammo, or it happens more often than not, i would stay away from the ammo. Side to side fliers is one thing, but if you are seeing variation in distance traveled, which of course leads to elevation inaccuracy at a distance, then you have to start wondering about differences in weight from BB to BB. Or again you would need some sort of baseline ammo that your gun does shoot properly, to gauge if your gun is just imparting inconsistent hop or compression from shot to shot or if the ammo is inconsistent in weight or diameter.
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