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Post by Sniper Wolf on Nov 28, 2012 20:14:03 GMT -5
So, before anyone really gets after me for my doing my homework, I've searched through this board and we didn't have a thread on this- searched a couple other forums and turned up nothing but people bitching at each other over what their cousins who are PJ's had to say about it, and tried researching pictures only to realize that I don't have the slightest clue what the minute differences between ops core helmets and various plate carriers actually translates to. And here I am, hoping for some assistance.
While I know a little bit about gear (primarily SEAL gear, thanks to older posts on this board by the ODA guys- with a particularly big shout out to Knife), when my girlfriend had expressed an interest in attempting a PJ kit, I don't even really know where to start. The only truly definitive stuff I came up with out of all the above mentioned digging is some kind of Opscore helmet (though admittedly I'm not sure what kind), a plate carrier (looks like a 6094, but I could be wrong), and lighter weight, high dexterity gloves (I'm seeing a lot of mechanix wear gloves).
Am I even headed in the right direction here? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
-Sniper Wolf
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Post by Knief on Nov 28, 2012 21:33:07 GMT -5
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Post by cqbr on Nov 29, 2012 0:01:30 GMT -5
Female PJ's don't really exist in the real world so a female doing an impression of one is gonna look odd from the get-go even if everything were to be re-created to a tee. (Something that 99.9% of people don't do) But, here's some pics from a recent training event that were taken a few weeks ago. www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?1365-Some-new-Pararescue-photos/page57Don't remember if this recent pic of this guy was a confirmed PJ or not, coulda' sworn he was though: Head over to 561 if you need help ID'ing a certain pic. Edit: The helmet you heard of was the Ballistic OpsCore FAST with a Wilcox G24 and OpsCore VAS shroud which is what's floating around on like 99% of them.
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Post by Knife on Nov 29, 2012 0:34:29 GMT -5
Ops core ballistics or carbon bumps work. LBT 6094s in multicam, Crye JPCs or CPCs, Paraclete HPC GACKs work, but are very rare as Knief mentioned. Gear depends a bit on the era.
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Post by Sniper Wolf on Nov 29, 2012 2:34:53 GMT -5
Female PJ's don't really exist in the real world so a female doing an impression of one is gonna look odd from the get-go even if everything were to be re-created to a tee. (Something that 99.9% of people don't do) We've discussed that there are no female PJs out there (but on the same token, how many women are there out on the front lines in the first place?) I'm just stoked she's gotten into the game enough to attempt an impression, whether or not they actually allow women to do it for real. But so far, the lack of female PJs and the prospect of heavier gear hasn't deterred her, so here we are Thank you for such quick responses, by the way, guys- I really appreciate it. Also, she's going to be delighted that everything is multicam. A couple quick questions though: 1) Would this ( www.airsoftpark.com/emerson-fast-carbon-helmet-style-multicam-p-9038.html ) constitute the right helmet, aside from being a knockoff? 2) Of those plate carriers, which one would be the most commonly seen/ readily identifiable for the kit? If its the 6094, would the slick variant work or should it be the full version with the cummerbund? 3) Any specific attachments for the helmet/ vest aside from PJ patches that she'll need? Again, thank you guys so much for the help, I really appreciate it.
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Post by Sham on Nov 29, 2012 3:11:54 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been posted on this forum before but this guy did one a few months ago. It seems he has really done his homework.
I'm sure you could find replicas of most of this stuff if you don't want to spring for the real stuff.
At any rate, it is a good start.
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Post by cqbr on Nov 29, 2012 8:12:45 GMT -5
lolspeshulopsm4 To answer your questions... 1. In my opinion, NO. Those helmets are only seen when they are training, and don't scream PJ impression like the widely used ballistic version does. If you're only shopping at Airsoftpark, this is the one you'd need: www.airsoftpark.com/emerson-fast-ballistic-helmet-style-dark-earth-p-9150.html2. I've seen 6094's more than anything else, and that's what I would personally choose if I were to do a PJ getup. The Slick version wouldn't be acceptable. 3. Helmet: Wilcox G24 & VAS shroud, Comtacs w/ARC adapters, some sort of IFF strobe, Helmet light (Princeton Tec Charge maybe) The G24 is practically as important as the last thing I'll list as once again, that's what you see 99% of the time. I'm guessing you won't want a real one, (Linked below as I loved the few I had) but they are planning on finally releasing a clone pretty soon tnvc.com/shop/wilcox-l4-g24-mount-w-low-profile-breakaway-base/Rig: MC 6094A/B/C, PRC-152 (Seeing a lot with those) Odds & Ends (Chemlights, CAT(s), Bloodtype Patches, Sharpies, Most importantly: Crye Precision AC Combat set. That's the most important thing as EVERYONE has them. I'm sure someone can find a pic of a PJ in something else, but you'll need those for a proper impression before you even think about everything else. The stuff listed above are only a few of the things that scream PJ impression in my opinion. There's a lot more but I'm too tired at the moment.
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Post by Sham on Nov 29, 2012 20:59:35 GMT -5
I have nothing else to say I usually try to avoid "loadout videos" since 99% of them are awful but I was at a loss this time.
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Post by ctres on Nov 30, 2012 17:07:29 GMT -5
There is already quite a good bit of information here, but you will probably need to do a lot of research to get an accurate idea of what goes into a realistic loadout. I would recommend looking through all of the pictures on the gearsoc thread of real PJs and deciding on some that you really like. If you have specific questions on certain pieces of gear then ask about those pieces, as it is really impossible to spoon feed everything there is to know about any given impression. Here are a few things that I think would be useful to consider.
1. Any given impression is not just a PJ impression in general, it is a PJ impression from a given era, year, or other specific time period. SOF guys are constantly getting new stuff so what their kits look like is always changing. The picture that cqbr posted is very recent, and what he is wearing looks quite a bit different from what you would see two or three years ago, at least from a geardo's perspective.
2. SOF units under SOCOM (this includes SEALs, MARSOC, PJs, CCTs, Army SF, etc.) wear a variety of different gear even during a single given time period. This is because SOCOM has a pretty huge budget and these guys are often issued more than one primary rig for a single deployment as well as a ton of different pouches. This allows for very mission specific setups. Aside from that fact that they are issued a lot of gear, most private purchase stuff is allowed, so lots of guys go out and buy stuff that they aren't issued, I have heard of this even extending to handguns. Often high speed gear manufacturers will also give prototype gear to SOF groups to test. All of this results in a huge variety of gear being used. You might look at a picture of a few PJs and they are all wearing different plate carriers, boots, helmet setups, etc.
3.Understand that an accurate impression is very expensive. You might have noticed that the wilcox g24 linked to is $450. If you don't have real nvgs it doesn't do anything for you, but it is part of making the impression perfect. NVG stuff can be some of the most expensive since there aren't a lot of good replicas, but a fake g24 that has good looking FDE coloration should be out soon. Other expensive things are realistic coms. If you want realism that doesn't function, it's cheap, same if you want functional ones that aren't realistic, but expect to pay at least $400 for a realistic functioning comms setup.
As for PJ specifics, as mentioned a multicam 6094 is a good pic. LBT will look the most realistic, but they recently changed to multicam webbing which probably won't show up in pics for a while, so a second hand one might be the best bet. Other options like the JPC and CPC are GTG as well, along with some other more generic SOF stuff like EPCs depending on time period.
As for sources of good clones look at toysoldier.com as well as dragonred.
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Post by Cats (Doom) on Feb 10, 2013 2:52:22 GMT -5
Sorry about the necro but National Geographic is running a mini-series starting February 18th (2013) at 10PM called "Inside Combat Rescue"; looks like it will be specifically about PJs and should have tons of footage to draw inspiration and details from.
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Post by Echelon on Mar 18, 2013 7:33:33 GMT -5
Since this was already necro'd, just wonder if you ever go this impression started. Id love to see any othe PJs around here.
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Post by Deacon on Mar 18, 2013 19:51:06 GMT -5
I'm currently building a kit as we speak. My only issue is I'm running a Mayflower LPAAC. Photos will be updated more as I go. I am waiting for my shiny new Nikon D-SLR to arrive before I photograph any more/updated shots of the gear.I do Realize that the rig is currently pictured in 7.62 but will be changed over to 5.56 relatively soon (once the order arrives) Helmet: Emerson Ops-Core Ballistic FDE No Nods mount yet. Comms: MSA Sordins, MSA PTT to iCom 2nd Line: Mayflower LPAAC- 5.56 Triple shingle 5.56 Double Pouch Emdom Pistol mag pouch (4x9mm, 6x.45 single stack) ATS IFAK LBT 6142B Hydro w/ Source Bladder No first line yet. BDU's:Crye G2 AC's Multicam Boots: Keen Targhee II Mids Primary Weapon: (Debating on a paint/dusty appearance) Colt M4A1 w/ 7" Knights RIS (14.5" Outer) M203L (Smoke/Signal Smoke) Sopmod style stock Matech 600m Rear BUIS Aimpoint CompM4 M68 CCO Replica w/ Killflash Secondary Weapon:KWA M9 Rig: I'm still debating on what I plan on carrying for my Medical Supplies as my main jump kit is in my personal vehicle (I'm a NREMT/State Licensed EMT who is a Paramedic Student.)
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Post by Echelon on Mar 21, 2013 12:28:08 GMT -5
What triple mag is that? I think it all looksgreat, just maybe a different rig, and maybe ditch the giant flag patch. Good stuff.
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Post by Deacon on Mar 21, 2013 13:25:32 GMT -5
The triple is an ATS. Im going to be swapping the flag out for a NREMT patch once I get it velcro backed I want a 6094 but can't afford it. I've seen so many different rigs in use by the Pj's until the use of LBT/Crye so I'm relatively safe for now. Camera is waiting for me at home, when I get out of work and the weather allows I'll snag some shots.
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Post by Echelon on Mar 21, 2013 15:50:40 GMT -5
I don't think I've seen any PJ's wearing mayflower, or using sordins for that matter. But, you're right about using different shit. They're always changing it up, and changing their kits around. I love seeing the blend of old and new school on PJ's too. If it aint broke, don't fix it. Pretty much if they have something useful, they'll throw it on their kit EOS.
Looking forward to your pics. My setup should be nearing completion by summer. SO stoked.
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