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Post by X on Nov 13, 2012 18:53:24 GMT -5
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Post by ThompsonFTW on Nov 13, 2012 19:04:37 GMT -5
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Post by X on Nov 13, 2012 21:18:24 GMT -5
I think you misunderstand. I'm baffled that they would say torque ups are only capable of M120 when I was able to run M120 fine on stock gears. My presumption then is that torque up gears should be capable of greater strength springs than what ASGI claims since I was able to achieve their "maximum" results with standard gears. I did not mean that they are unnecessary. I'm sure I was pushing the stock gears and motor to their limits at that time and an M150 is likely beyond those limits.
Thanks for all those threads. Lots of interesting stuff.
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Post by ThompsonFTW on Nov 13, 2012 22:00:58 GMT -5
18:1s can be used in m210 springs.
The limiting factor is your battery and motor.
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Post by X on Nov 13, 2012 23:13:29 GMT -5
I'm assuming you meant 120 not 210. Since that would be nearly 700 FPS.
I see what your saying though. Technically with a strong enough motor and power source to supply it, you can use any gear set. I think the Sr-16 had an EG1000.
Sort of a related thought. I wonder if the relationship between muzzle velocity and spring strength is linear, or if there's diminishing returns.
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Post by Casper on Nov 13, 2012 23:21:31 GMT -5
You don't want 13:1 gearset in M150 setup doesn't matter how you view it. It is counter productive and not efficient in terms of amperage draining from the battery and motor load.
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Post by Connors on Nov 13, 2012 23:49:58 GMT -5
X, those promy gears might not work in a G&G if it does not use the same v7 gears as a TM. Unless you are also looking for a Marui Socom 16.
A big part of the muzzle velocity comes from the spring, but it goes hand in hand with your air seal. If you get a bad seal on the piston head-cylinder, or cylinder-cylinder head, or any other bad seal combo in between the compressed air and the hop-up, your fps will suffer significantly.
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Post by ThompsonFTW on Nov 14, 2012 7:25:08 GMT -5
I'm assuming you meant 120 not 210. Since that would be nearly 700 FPS. I see what your saying though. Technically with a strong enough motor and power source to supply it, you can use any gear set. I think the Sr-16 had an EG1000. Sort of a related thought. I wonder if the relationship between muzzle velocity and spring strength is linear, or if there's diminishing returns. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards www.airsoftsociety.com/forums/f10/muzzle-velocity-flight-distance-chart-2520/And no I meant m210. You don't want 13:1 gearset in M150 setup doesn't matter how you view it. It is counter productive and not efficient in terms of amperage draining from the battery and motor load. Yes its inefficient. However with the motors available today it won't put a ridiculous strain on the motor so why not do it. In comparison to high torque gears your trigger response will be godly. Sent from my VS910 4G using proboards
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Post by X on Nov 14, 2012 14:00:05 GMT -5
I'm going to get the TM it's just a matter of battling over price right now. Dude wants $450 with 7 mags, lipo, and G&P Aimpoint, but I think we're going to settle closer to $390. I'm thinkin' that this thing is going over budget.
Would the SHS gears be a better choice over Guarder? Right now I'm debating between Guarder FTK or piecing it all together. I'm not going to drop $100 for the Prome gears it's just not worth it in my opinion. I imagine I'll be chewing through pistons every few games, but the gears should be OK.
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Post by Phantom G3 on Nov 14, 2012 14:32:42 GMT -5
I have actually owned some 18:1 SHS gears and I am pretty impressed with their quality. I haven't owned Guarder gears so I cannot submit input on them.
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Post by X on Nov 14, 2012 14:38:58 GMT -5
What was the rest of your setup, how many rounds did you run through it, and was there any noticeable wear on the gears afterwards?
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Post by ctres on Nov 14, 2012 15:17:51 GMT -5
Remember that SHS gears are generally going to be at least on par with guarder in terms of strength but there have been some quality control issues in the past with SHS, so I'd be careful. RiotSC gears are by far the best but Lonex is very high quality and more in between in terms of price. I don't really know about doing 13.1s for a reliable setup running 500+fps. It can and has been done, but usually if this is not an ongoing project and you want to avoid maintenance it would be best to go closer to standard ratio, which should be fine as long as they are good quality and you have a good high torque motor. The JG blue has tons of torque as do the Lonex high torque ones.
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Post by X on Nov 14, 2012 15:56:49 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time finding a place with a short JG Blue in stock. Also keep in mind that the TM gearbox is ver 7 and so gears are harder to find for it. So far I've seen guarder, prome, and SHS.
Side note I just finished the deal for the TM at $375 with no lipo.
EDIT: Anyone know of the easiest way to disable full auto?
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Post by ThompsonFTW on Nov 14, 2012 16:09:33 GMT -5
-Torque motor This is a good idea because it will accelerate faster than a speed motor and be more efficient. Take a look at either an AMP or lonex motor. Why those? The both have tremendous amounts of torque which will be a plus... will explain more on that later. (Suggest checking out hivemindairsoft.com and clandestinrairsoft.com(?) For parts.)
-Torque Gears This is a no-no. While they will be reliable they are SLOW and LOUD. Both of these are bad for a DMR. Especially the slow part. I suggest a 13:1 gear ratio. Again lonex is a good brand. Shs isn't bad but you want it to be the gen 1 bevel. These gears are cheap and fairly durable. Now, let me get back to why a torquey motor is important. Obviously 13:1 gears will put a lot of strain on your motor. Therefore you have to compensate with a really nice motor. However, this means you will get lightening fast trigger response, this is essential in a DMR build. Wrote all this then remembered your using a m14... the gears may not be interchangeable with v2/v3. I'll leave that for you to look into.
-Piston- Don't build a gun to fail. Here you said you wanted this to be the weakest part... lets make it just as strong as the rest. That being said I suggest a lonex red piston. (10 metal teeth IIRC) this piston is extremely strong because the metal rack is reinforced and won't cave in like the shs piston. Downside is they are heavy. Luckily your doing a DMR build and we won't have to worry about it. In fact I have heard more weight is good for a DMR build. (Can't say I know that's true.)
-Piston Head Take a look into element piston head. Gives great seal and is cheap.
I'll just redo this...
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Post by X on Nov 14, 2012 16:40:56 GMT -5
I've looked for standard or high speed gears and so far there's been no luck. Everything I've seen is standard (1:21 for M14) or higher.
When I say it should be the weakest. I mean that relatively. It's no like I'm going to toss in a CA Poly piston and just laugh at the ensuing destruction.
I'll take a look at those sites. EDIT: Yeah neither site has a high speed gears, but the second site has a motor.
I think the first round of parts will be metal bushings and an M120 spring. I'll then do all the DIY mods and see how I like the performance. If I can get away with a 400 FPS build and still out range most people I could be happy with that. If not the spring will be a waste, but it's cheap so no big deal.
Side note 2: R-Hop is ordered.
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