Another Systema/Celcius clone out G&D DTW

[Gunny87]

Just saw this an ASG. The C&D DTW, haha at first I thought it was a typo for a new G&P or G&G gun.

www.airsoftglobal.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=21_374&products_id=15963&zenid=98n2vvsounsvfa6tv2fud2jb52

www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/206650-gd-dtw-another-ptw-clone/

But apparently it's a $315 Systema/Celcious clone. So who is going to buy it?

[Myers]

A clone of a clone.... Niceeee. I can't imagine this to be anywhere comparable to a PTW. Unless SystemA just like's to overprice the shit out of them. CTWs are about 1/2 the price of a PTW, and from what I've seen/heard, they're hit or miss. This makes me believe the "DTW" will probably be even more inferior.

*EDIT* But if it is solid, I think the majority of the community will switch from P*s to these.

[drewroud]

This is a bit off topic, but ever since I have started playing, I always have heard that systemas are the most realistic. I understand that they use a different kind of gearbox, but I cannot find a detailed guide with the gearbox and the mechanisms. Does anyone know of such a post / forum?

[justified]

They're really not even all that expensive to make it's all a huge profit they could be using the same exact parts and manufacturing and just not being assholes and multiplying their cost by 10.

[O'Dwah]

I'd be impressed if they weren't a complete POS.

[Gunslinger]

So long as the ptw Parts fit then it will be a great gun. The second and third gen ptw's had issues as well. I would try one out but make sure I went into it knowing they could end up having the same problems as the gen 2 and 3 ptw's then just order parts accordingly.

[Knief]

There's a high probability that these guns will suck. That said, I'm happy to see them hitting the market. The PTW gearbox is far superior to the TM style gearbox. If PTW clones become more common, we can only hope that some of the higher end Taiwanese companies pick up the ball and run with it. I'd love to see a G&P or VFC made PTW clone.

Drewroud,

PTW challenge kit assembly manual, has great shots of the gearbox:

www.systema-ptw.pl/toyversion/pl/download/Assembly_Manual.pdf

[Spear]

Interesting. A PTW was probably the most satisfying airsoft gun I've ever handled and shot, (thanks again Knief), so I am certainly intrigued by this. I want to see if it's a true PTW clone, and how it will take to Systema parts. I'd be more prone to buy this over say, a P*.

[ThompsonFTW]

I'm selling off most of my collection to buy a single gun that is super reliable. I was leaning towards a Systema or polar* but after seeing this I may pull the trigger. Even if its awful I can grab systema parts to fix whatever may be wrong... or so I think.

[Knief]

Tell that to the guys who bought CTWs.

[drewroud]

Thanks Knief, I just printed out the whole manual. Other than the ptw and polar star, are there any other aeg systems that are completely different than the marui design?

[ThompsonFTW]

Classics.

I have been thinking of picking one up for a while.

[cqbr]

I hope they put some sort of fail-safe in the gearbox limiting the spring power similar to the old Gen3 PTW's. If not, event hosts are gonna have a lot of problems on their hands with random people shelling out a measly $400 to be able to hot swap their cylinders for 500+ FPS.

That's still possible of course with the stuff that's currently out there, but when you lower the price of the PTW cylinder system it makes things accessible to those who previously didn't want to make the investment in the quick-adjustable weapons.

[Ike]

I'm surprised that they're cloning such an outdated platform, but at least it's at a reasonable price point. It could fill a niche in the market left by those who refuse to upgrade their AEGs but don't want to invest the money in a Poalrstar. If you don't fall into either of those categories, I don't really see a reason to buy it.

Unless they've made some changes to the design (unlikely), performance will still be the same as a PTW or any other lightly-upgraded AEG.

[Knief]

Because the 20 year old V2 gearbox, with all of it's weaknesses and flaws, is clearly superior? Come on man, you know better than to buy into the ASM PTW hate. The only drawback the planetary gearbox has compared to the TM box is that it's not as ubiquetous so there's little in the way of aftermarket support. If it gets more popular, that gap will narrow. I mean hell, even TM tried to replace their old design what, 4 years ago now?