YoYo-Pete
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Post by YoYo-Pete on Sept 24, 2012 10:07:42 GMT -5
Run 100 BBs in each and count.
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Post by sunshine on Sept 26, 2012 4:59:55 GMT -5
Once you play enough atleast for me you can feel when you're getting low. Treat it as a real gun if you think your getting low, reload. As for the colored BBs its a good idea but when your in an intense firefight the last thing I notice or even going through my head for that matter is "oh snap my BBs just turned orange, time to reload."
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Post by snafu on Sept 26, 2012 7:18:22 GMT -5
Run 100 BBs in each and count. I was recently informed that I have been over filling my mid cap mags for years. Apparently you get a lot more life out of them if you don't fill to capacity. I'm not a tech so I can't tell you why but I was told from a tech wizard this is the case..
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Post by YoYo-Pete on Sept 26, 2012 8:08:05 GMT -5
I've hear that too... but how much less? Like 100 in a 130 cap? or like 65 in a 130 cap?
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Post by Knief on Sept 26, 2012 8:12:02 GMT -5
I fill my 130 rounders with a full 100 round speed loader, so my guess is I put somewhere in the neighborhood of 90-110 rounds in each mag and get good results. I know M.S.-Arc fills his about half way, so somewhere around 70ish for him. In either case, it's best to leave the room. You'll keep the spring stiffer for longer and avoid jams at the same time.
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Post by YoYo-Pete on Sept 26, 2012 8:41:16 GMT -5
That's what I do... just fill the speed loader (100 rd) and that's it. You can feel it starting to get real tight and I figured it didnt feel appropriate to smash the max amount into it.
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Post by X on Sept 26, 2012 11:16:30 GMT -5
You don't increase life of a magazine from under loading it. What wears out a spring is compression and decompression. This is sort of accepted knowledge in real steel. Unless there is some other part of the mag that's wearing, but I don't know what that would be. I can't imagine the follower or feed channel breaking.
You do however, prevent feeding issues caused from having too much pressure behind the BB. I always load my 130 round mags with about 90 rounds.
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Post by Knief on Sept 26, 2012 12:00:21 GMT -5
My understanding is, repeatedly compressing a spring completely will wear the spring faster than repeatedly compressing the spring partially. You're flexing the metal more each time you load it full compared to each time you load it partially. Over time, that extra flexing creates extra wear. I wonder if it matters less on real steel mags where the springs are stiffer and much shorter than in airsoft guns?
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Post by Fugazi on Sept 26, 2012 12:11:13 GMT -5
My understanding is, repeatedly compressing a spring completely will wear the spring faster than repeatedly compressing the spring partially. You're flexing the metal more each time you load it full compared to each time you load it partially. Over time, that extra flexing creates extra wear. I wonder if it matters less on real steel mags where the springs are stiffer and much shorter than in airsoft guns? It does matter less, simply because of the general thickness of the spring. That, and as you mentioned; the spring doesn't weave around 3 times like a common midcap. This is particularly true for AR mags, because they're more rectangular and have more stress put on the corners of the spring. Unlike a Glock magazine that is much more square (and not to mention under a smaller load) and has the downforce distributed a lot more evenly.
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Post by X on Sept 26, 2012 12:32:34 GMT -5
This quote from Wolff seems to back up what you say Knief... www.gunsprings.com/faq#Faq5In theory if the mags are designed correctly with the right spring (enough material) it shouldn't matter. Being that probably all of our mags use cheap chinese parts it's likely that we have low quality springs which would degrade from full compressed/decompressed as you said. On another note it would be cool to have a mag that had a piece inside which stopped the BB but allowed the spring to pass through. You wouldn't have to unload and reload mags when you are unsure of how many are in there.
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Post by Snarf on Sept 27, 2012 19:19:36 GMT -5
Does that mean I can only put 50 rounds in my 70 round mags?
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Post by Knief on Sept 27, 2012 21:35:54 GMT -5
You can fill them to capacity if you want. But you'll probably get better feeding and longer life if you only fill to 50. It's your choice, but I might add into the equation; what's better 70 rounds that don't feed or 50 that do? If filling your mags to capacity causes jams, the choice is pretty clear.
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Post by X on Sept 28, 2012 8:00:50 GMT -5
If the spring weakened wouldn't that only help the issue of feed problems?
Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by YoYo-Pete on Sept 28, 2012 8:16:59 GMT -5
Does that mean I can only put 50 rounds in my 70 round mags? Could this be an example having more room for the spring. I mean is the form factor on the 70 round the same as the 130? If so, would the spring have more room? It would be interesting to see cross sections of common mags.
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Post by Knief on Sept 28, 2012 8:36:35 GMT -5
If the spring weakened wouldn't that only help the issue of feed problems? Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards Maybe for the first rounds, definitely not for the last.
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