Blitz
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Post by Blitz on Apr 24, 2012 20:19:26 GMT -5
I can attest to KWA's excellent internals. As Ghast pointed out, some of MIA's techs here aren't completely in love with them because they have proprietary gearbox shells and their gears are a little thicker than others. No accuracy upgrades are needed in them either to make them competitive while people who have had Combat Machines often replace the inner barrel right away. Either way, you are getting a really good product as G&G and KWA are on the top of the AEG market right now.
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Post by Tank on Apr 24, 2012 20:26:57 GMT -5
I for one ran with my KWA RIS for two years without any upgrades. I just recently put a 6.03 Prometheus in it. I'll be field testing it for the first time Saturday.
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Post by Ike on Apr 24, 2012 22:45:48 GMT -5
I'm sure Ike will be in here to shit all over KWA's shortly. You called? Kidding, I actually got a PM about this thread. If you want a great starter gun get the G&G combat machine M4 or if you can spend a little more, a lower end KWA M4 with a version 2GX gearbox. You won't be disappointed with either gun. Until you try to upgrade the KWA, or realize how weak the G&G stock parts are (motor, brass bushings, piston, and barrel for starters). I don't think of it as "shitting all over" a brand, but I will post the reasons why I don't like KWA and the issues they have. Most of those issues relate to tolerances and specifications. The first issue is the two-piece hop-up, it's just not as stable or accurate as a one-piece can be. Then you have to deal with the fact that the KWA chamber is a fair bit tighter than most units, leaving your hop-up bucking choices limited. Before going into the gearbox, take a look at the shell itself. Their first gen guns had an issue with the gearboxes cracking. Instead of actually making the shell out of a better metal, they added a ton of unnecessary reinforcement. It was probably the worst way that they could have gone about solving the problem. If they really wanted to be revolutionary, they could have sold a gun that came with the AOE corrected and with sorbothane on the cylinder head, or at least included a front buffer between the gearbox and receiver. All of this would have kept the gun on-spec and not solved one issue by creating another. Going inside the gearbox, you have these machine cut gears that supposedly don't need to be shimmed. Problem is that they don't come shimmed in relation to the bevel gear, and the tight tolerances make it nearly impossible to do so. KWA is a lot like Systema- both have some issues going on, but they have a good marketing division that, for the most part, does a good job of covering things up. And while they offer pretty decent stock performance, they're both easily outdone by a well-upgraded gun and lack the design characteristics to be upgraded to the same degree.
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Alucard
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Post by Alucard on Apr 24, 2012 23:23:38 GMT -5
KWA is a lot like Systema- both have some issues going on, but they have a good marketing division that, for the most part, does a good job of covering things up. And while they offer pretty decent stock performance, they're both easily outdone by a well-upgraded gun and lack the design characteristics to be upgraded to the same degree. ^ This. And it will be proven time and time again as people start treating this sport like RC Cars, a hobby. Pure and simple, there are cheaper alternatives in the long run to solve an expensive gun's problems now.
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Post by murdok on Apr 25, 2012 12:04:54 GMT -5
Ike, most of that lingo is out of my reach of comprehension.
From what I can assuage; An upgraded G&G wins out over a KWA any day of the weak and the only reason there are KWA fanboys is because of their marketing team?
Anywhere close?
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Post by Alex-(BM_5) on Apr 25, 2012 14:04:45 GMT -5
IKE is saying G&G and KWA are both seen as great companies because of their fanboys not because of their actual product. That being said I'd go G&G just for the fact that it's cheaper and comes basically ready to field.
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Post by Talisman on Apr 25, 2012 16:08:41 GMT -5
And another word of advice : Don't worry about a gun being CQB friendly and/or field friendly. I've only played a couple of CQB games (I think 5, but don't quote me on that) in the 9 years I've been on MiA. If you lived near a CQB area (like the places down south) then you could worry about it, but honestly, unless you have a huge M16 with an extended barrel and a silencer, you can run CQB with just about any weapon (outside of a sniper rifle).
What a terrible run-on sentence....
On another note : M4 stuff is a lot easier to find than AK stuff. Mag pouches, external upgrades, etc. all will have this feature. Something to think about - for years all the guys I played with ran M4/M16 variants, because we could mix and match mags, parts, and the like.
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Blitz
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Post by Blitz on Apr 25, 2012 16:57:21 GMT -5
Ike, most of that lingo is out of my reach of comprehension. From what I can assuage; An upgraded G&G wins out over a KWA any day of the weak and the only reason there are KWA fanboys is because of their marketing team? Anywhere close? He's saying that an AEG that you build yourself with quality aftermarket parts will beat a stock AEG of any brand.
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Post by murdok on Apr 26, 2012 13:20:30 GMT -5
Thanks a ton for all the input everyone! I think I'm sticking with the G&G on this one. Within the next couple of weeks I will be ordering two; >http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=7966 Two 9.6v batteries and one smart charger. My reasons for sticking with the G&G are simple, because after the advice both IKE and Talisman (and thanks to Blitz for clarification) I've come to my own conclusion; I have no reason to stray from my original path, so why complicate things by doing so?If I plan to upgrade and refine my internals [and I do] I'll be just as happy either way should I pick either the G&G CQB or the KWA CQB. So why now pick KWA over the G&G? I don't see any good reasons in this respect and I do no good to convince myself there should be. Who knows, I might just pick up a KWA down the road just to see for myself Again, thanks everyone!
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