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Post by Praetorian on Aug 7, 2011 20:27:01 GMT -5
Yes, I know someone already opened a topic about this but I don't want to get into a topic about to be closed.
I am thinking of getting this and turning it into a cqb ready rifle. I want to put as little money as possible into this. I need to know what spring is best. I have a "MAG Perfect Sniping System Spring for VSR-10 / BAR-10 Series Airsoft Sniper Rifle (MA100)" in my cart for 8 bucks. I need a good top scope mount for cheap, and doesn't matter the material.
Does this sound like a worthy build to you guys?
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Post by Bulletproof on Aug 7, 2011 21:13:09 GMT -5
"CQB" and "SVD" don't go together in my book. The SVD is a modernized version of the Dragunov, which is considered a sniper rifle. Also spring weapons(excluding shotguns) don't do well in CQB. It might be cool, but I don't think it would be practical.
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Post by TheEnd on Aug 7, 2011 21:53:58 GMT -5
I am thinking of getting this and turning it into a cqb ready rifle. First, a quick Google search turned up that it uses AEG springs. I would search around a bit more before assuming it is VSR compatible anywhere else. Second, accurate bolt action rifles are expensive. I don't think taking a stock A&K SVD, slapping in a 350 spring, and then putting a scope on it will be worth anything in CQB. If you want to build a bolt action and want to "put in as little money as possible" it's best to just not. Your ROF will be extremely slow because the SVD cocking handle will need to be pulled with your trigger hand. It's not like a shot gun where your weak hand moves the action and your trigger finger is always ready. CQB is really fast paced in tight areas, and you are bringing a really long weapon with a really slow ROF. That doesn't sound like a worthy build to me at all. I understand the fun in challenges but that doesn't sound like a fun one to me. If you are planning to hide in the back corner and snipe people I guarantee people will simply flank both sides of you and wait until you fire on one side and attack on the other. Your ROF will be so slow there won't be much you can do about it. Even switching to a sidearm would take too long. I know from experience with people who have tried the CQB bolt action route. They were pretty easy targets. Simply rush them. Chances are they will miss the first shot and be defenseless. If they do land the shot the other side can take them out because they have to either draw a pistol or rack the bolt.
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Post by Praetorian on Aug 7, 2011 22:36:43 GMT -5
By as little money possible, I mean I want the cheapest reliable parts. This is only just to get familiar with bolt actions. But I want to be able to use it somewhere and I don't do outdoor. I guess I will go outdoors, give the sniping role a shot. I don't mind not being the center of attention. I guess I will see what happens. I wish it was a practical idea, but I don't want to be disappointed when it doesn't work out. Would getting the aeg version be the better way to go? That's my last question on this topic.
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Post by TheEnd on Aug 7, 2011 23:17:41 GMT -5
I want to be a sniper.Now that you have started (and I stress the word started) your research, the typical scenario that usually happens is that you finally take the plunge and invest in a decent gun whether it is a clone (Echo-1, JG, D-boys) or even a higher-end airsoft gun (TM, Classic Army). To make up for your shortcomings and based on your experience of being out gunned. It is at this point where a n00b makes their fourth big mistake. You take on the role as a sniper. You quickly look for a gun that shoots 400+ FPS and a quick Google or eBay search will lead you to a bunch of affordable sniper rifles. They cost more than the Meijer brand and you remember that you get what you pay for so you are convinced that this will be a good buy and that you will be able to shed that “n00b” label. I can go on talking about why this is a big mistake for five more pages but in order to keep your attention I will try to narrow it down to just a few things. It is true that you get what you pay for but when it concerns getting into the role of a sniper the bar is significantly raised. You have to invest a lot more time and money (two or three times the amount or more) to play the role of an Airsoft sniper efficiently. Often times a $100 sniper rifle (with very little exception) when compared to a “true” sniper rifle is like comparing a Meijer brand gun to a TM. Also you really have to have more experience playing airsoft in order to begin to understand what it takes to be a decent airsoft sniper. Sure you can still roll with your sniper rifle during ops because we see that all the time but I hope you realize that without the understanding you need to be a decent airsoft sniper you will again find yourself outgunned and outmatched every time. My advice is start off as a rifleman and through experience work your way to be a sniper if you think you are up for it. Ask advise from experienced snipers on the field during down times. From the sticky - Typical n00b tendencies from a former n00b. I don't mean to try and tell you not to try being an airsoft sniper. It's just that most newer people think they will sit there undetected and pick people off with every shot from extreme ranges. In reality, that's not how it happens. If you want to give sniping a serious try, read here. Those guys are dedicated to the art and their posts will give you an idea of what the role is really like.
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Post by Praetorian on Aug 8, 2011 7:24:04 GMT -5
Thank you, I have read most of the stickies here, so I know that a ton of people just jump in. I never know what I like till I try it, and I am in the mood for something new. I already know I may only shoot 3 rounds at the end of a game, or not even see anyone the whole game. But I know that I can't just buy a great gun and expect it to be the best ever.
As for the out gunning I could care less, just means I need to make due with what I have and make it better as I go on. I am not going to drop 400$ into the gun right away, but I am not going to cut the budget down at 0$.
I already know I will want a TBB and reinforced sear. which will run me about 60$ to start.
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Post by fuzzywolly on Aug 8, 2011 10:47:29 GMT -5
I already know I will want a TBB and reinforced sear. which will run me about 60$ to start. Coming from a guy who has seen a good bit of bolt actions, I would recommend playing with it in stock form before anything else. Especially since you are new to the bolt actions, I highly suggest just getting to play with it off the bat. See what you like, what you don't like, etc. For instance, perhaps the accuracy is pretty solid, and you find you do not need a tight bore right away. You say you are on a budget, so spending money on upgrades may not be necessary right from the beginning. In addition, perhaps you find that the sears give out on you quickly, resulting in having to buy some new sears. You could simply buy the new ones with the money you saved from not buying the barrel. What I am trying to say is that you should play with her in stock form to see what you do and don't like. Who knows, you may be happy with the way it performs and find no need for a tightbore at this time. I used a stock UTG MK96 for a year, and found what I did and did not like, and upgraded from there. I analyzed what needed improvement and I made an educated decision. My two cents.
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Post by Praetorian on Aug 8, 2011 17:11:18 GMT -5
thank you, I just assumed it wouldn't be at optimal performance but I didn't think of it that way. I also read the whole new to being a sniper discussion on ASF. I may just start off as a spotter just to learn like one of the guys did. But I am still not 100% sure what I want as far as rifle wise. But I really fancy the A&K SVD because of its mostly metal body. I also like that if I want to drop 165 into it I can get a co2 conversion kit.
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Post by fuzzywolly on Aug 8, 2011 17:30:59 GMT -5
If you are looking for an easy rifle to work with, both DIY mods and upgrades, the UTG mk96 or JG bar 10 are good clone options. Tons of guides, easy to do work on, and upgrades are all over the place.
Just something to think about.
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Post by Praetorian on Aug 8, 2011 18:20:29 GMT -5
So I was looking around and saw the Snow Wolf M24 and Javelin M24, I like the look of the gun and they are around the same price of 150$ and the snowwolf is full metal. There is also the JG bar-10 "limited-edition" that comes with a 3-x40 scope for 150$.
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Post by TheEnd on Aug 8, 2011 18:50:35 GMT -5
Go with the JG Bar-10. After you upgrade and tweak everything the difference between it and a VSR-10 won't be much. The VSR is also the easiest platform to find parts for. I've seen used Bar-10's go for less than $75.
When on a budget what you want to look for is a clone that is compatible with a high end platform. For example the Bar-10 or UTG L96. It's possible to upgrade both using high end parts made for the VSR-10 and Maruzen L96 respectively. The clone performance vs. the real thing will come down to individual tuning.
What you don't want is some random un supported platform just because it has a metal body. The metal body won't do you much good when your sear breaks and you can't replace it.
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Post by Praetorian on Aug 8, 2011 19:12:30 GMT -5
What about the JG type 96? Does it support the same upgrades?
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Post by Bulletproof on Aug 8, 2011 20:05:42 GMT -5
What about the JG type 96? Does it support the same upgrades? I would think it supports L96 type upgrades, but not 100%. If you still want to have an SVD or Dragunov(I know I do ;D) CA makes one that I heard is pretty good. I would be semi-automatic, like the real one, and would support AEG upgrades, to upgrade with all your favorite AEG parts.
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Post by fuzzywolly on Aug 8, 2011 20:29:23 GMT -5
NOOO! The JG 96 has a mix of VSR 10 parts as well as some of their own. In fact, I found out that the cylinder parts are not VSR 10 compatible even though they were said to be so. Same goes for the receiver. The JG 96 is a horrible platform. Dish out the extra cash for a UTG l96 if you want the l96 variant. The JG 96 is a headache, and is not worth the smaller price tag. You will be sorry if you buy this rifle. Sorry, I strongly dislike the JG 96 for numerous reasons, and am just trying to prove a point.
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Post by Praetorian on Aug 8, 2011 20:56:30 GMT -5
ok simple enough for me to understand. I want to know, is there any gbb sniper rifles sub or par 200$. So, is there anything for the bar-10 that you highly recommend, upgrade wise? I am looking for scope for and I like an illuminated one for 65 bucks 4-9x40.
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