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Post by Fugazi on May 22, 2011 2:59:00 GMT -5
Not to mention the rail adapter for the carry handle is moderately inexpensive. It also raises your optic high enough to where you can wear a full-face mask and have comfortable eye-relief.
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Post by Thundernuts Cockpunch on May 22, 2011 10:40:23 GMT -5
On stock G&G internals, your ROF will be fine if your FPS is nearing 400. If your first couple BBs are gonna miss, what makes you think those couple extra rounds per second are gonna do anything...other than waste ammo?
Also... get a PDI spring. Their design is easier on the gearbox.
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Post by Alucard on May 22, 2011 12:20:13 GMT -5
Perhaps you should buy a stronger battery too. I didn't see that suggestion mentioned yet, and thought I would add it.
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Post by spectre019 on May 22, 2011 14:12:42 GMT -5
I would listen to Carnage on this post. He really puts logical thinking into making guns better, and although it may be a bit expensive or a little over-budget, the quality you get is the quality you pay for. |
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Post by Carnage on May 22, 2011 17:15:45 GMT -5
I would listen to Carnage on this post. He really puts logical thinking into making guns better, and although it may be a bit expensive or a little over-budget, the quality you get is the quality you pay for. Thanks spectre, but there are better people to listen to than me such as Knief and Fugazi. After all, I learned most, if not all, the things I know now from the more experienced members of this forum. Back on topic, the main reason why I would choose an M4/M16 model is basically because they are the easiest to work with. |
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Post by Biz on May 22, 2011 21:20:44 GMT -5
I think I'm pretty set on the g&g m14. I do agree with carnage that the m4 variants are much easier to work on, but the version 2 gearbox's strength is a joke compared to g&g's m14 , ergo, way better build for a dmr! And come on people, who doesn't want an m14 shooting a rof of about 1200rpm's.
I'm just curious, but what do you guys think about KWA making a line of m14's? They would most likely call it a km-14, but I think there a great company and there just held back by the version 2 gearbox.
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Post by Andrew on May 22, 2011 22:04:42 GMT -5
The version 2 gearbox really isn't that bad. Honestly I think the version 2 shooting at 380ish with a tightbore barrel and a lipo of some sort is a great balance of range and ROF. I mean how much range are you really gaining with an extra 20-40 FPS ? Not to mention the M16 has way more potential in my opinion than an m14, but to each his own I suppose.
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Post by Biz on May 22, 2011 22:24:21 GMT -5
Ok yea, i'll give you that. The version 2 gearbox can easily handle that fps setup... BUT kwa has been having problems with gearbox shell cracks and that's with an m120. The m4 does have tons of conversion kits and what not, but that's only because EVERYONE has one. Speaking internally, the m14 is just built better. And is hands down the best base for a 500fps+ semi-auto set up.
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Post by Fugazi on May 22, 2011 22:24:51 GMT -5
The version 2 gearbox really isn't that bad. Honestly I think the version 2 shooting at 380ish with a tightbore barrel and a lipo of some sort is a great balance of range and ROF. I mean how much range are you really gaining with an extra 20-40 FPS ? Not to mention the M16 has way more potential in my opinion than an m14, but to each his own I suppose. Well if you're not gaining much having the extra 20-40fps, what are you losing by dropping another 30fps? Wait, I know the answer: Engagement limit. But what do we gain? Gearbox longevity, ROF, and longer battery life. The answer should be pretty clear... |
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Post by Andrew on May 22, 2011 22:30:32 GMT -5
I'm not exactly sure if you are agreeing with me or arguing against me. What I am trying to say is that I have never been a huge fan of shooting over 400 FPS, when most airsoft engagements in general are 150 feet or less.
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Post by Biz on May 22, 2011 22:32:13 GMT -5
Fugazi, you also had a great point, with a scope mount it raises the scope enough to use a full face mask.
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Post by Biz on May 22, 2011 22:37:18 GMT -5
Yea I'm not sure if he is agreeing with me or not either lmao. But yea most engagements are 150 feet. But with a 500fps m14 you can take that engagement limit farther. So that you CAN'T(to an extent) be hit, and you just take them out. And you can engage a sniper with a ton more confidence to actually get him and not have your bbs fall short. Only reason your not comfortable with a 400+ set up is because your gearbox can't handle it.  |
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Post by Fugazi on May 23, 2011 1:44:12 GMT -5
Only reason your not comfortable with a 400+ set up is because your gearbox can't handle it. True, but I don't want it to. How am I going to shoot someone that's 8 feet away with a 400+fps gun? I'm shooting 315fps, with 26rps, soon to be 30+rps. I don't need fps when I can pull the trigger once, and get 26 hits on you. Plus, I don't need a separate gun for CQB, my current one works fine. Once I get the tightbore and new hop-up in, I'll outrange most people. And up close I'll put at least 10 rounds in you before you even shoot back. Trigger response and ROF > bb velocity. It's okay though, when I come up behind a "400fps guy" and tell him to run, it's not so he doesn't get shot. It's so he can get to his engagement limit to shoot back.  |
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Post by Ghast on May 23, 2011 1:48:38 GMT -5
Only reason your not comfortable with a 400+ set up is because your gearbox can't handle it. True, but I don't want it to. How am I going to shoot someone that's 8 feet away with a 400+fps gun? I'm shooting 315fps, with 26rps, soon to be 30+rps. I don't need fps when I can pull the trigger once, and get 26 hits on you. Then I get to punch you 25 times for overkill.  |
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Post by Fugazi on May 23, 2011 2:04:42 GMT -5
True, but I don't want it to. How am I going to shoot someone that's 8 feet away with a 400+fps gun? I'm shooting 315fps, with 26rps, soon to be 30+rps. I don't need fps when I can pull the trigger once, and get 26 hits on you. Then I get to punch you 25 times for overkill. I would never pop anyone that many times, but you get the point. And for you Ghast, I probably wouldn't even shoot you. I'd just offer you a square to go back to your spawn, maybe take you on a date afterwards. |
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