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Post by redknight on Mar 14, 2009 22:26:00 GMT -5
What is the criteria for calling off for an event? How will you validate or verify their excuse?
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Post by Canto on Mar 14, 2009 22:26:42 GMT -5
I'll support it.
My reason for support this is the logistical nightmare that no-call/no-show players cause.
I post my cell phone number for a reason. If you can't make it, at least have the decency to call. It's just rude otherwise.
I would support a ban, unless dire circumstances arise within less than 24 hours. Otherwise, anything under 24, is a ban.
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Post by Tex on Mar 14, 2009 22:29:25 GMT -5
If you can't give 24hrs notice it had better be a genuine emergency or car trouble. Its not fool proof but airsoft is about honor so were going to have to trust people.
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Post by redknight on Mar 14, 2009 22:33:13 GMT -5
Again I ask, how would you validate such an excuse? How would you know how many times "my grandmother died" or "my car broke down"? My point being that since you are not going to ask for a doctor's note or any other proof, how would you validly determine who has a real excuse? Define what constitutes "dire circumstances" please.
For the part about honor....you guys trusted OP doc, see where that one got you?
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Post by Tex on Mar 14, 2009 22:35:05 GMT -5
Its a lot on honor but for multiple offenders I'd definitely ask for proof.
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Post by redknight on Mar 14, 2009 22:36:29 GMT -5
Fair enough, I just wanted to hear clarification. So what I hear you saying is that a pattern of behavior would give you reason for further documentation, is that correct?
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Post by Tex on Mar 14, 2009 22:38:10 GMT -5
Precisely. We can only trust people so much. But its only right to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by redknight on Mar 14, 2009 22:39:35 GMT -5
Sounds good to me, three strikes then? Three missed events before you black-list someone sound reasonable?
Here is what I was thinking just now: I just think of guys with professions similar to mine, and we get subpoenas at the last minute, then we have to go to court in the morning on our days off, with less than 2 hours notice sometimes, it's crappy, but it happens. Then there are firemen, and doctors and others who have important jobs that require them to drop what they are doing and go. I think that emergency services personnel should be given exception to any rules of attendance without any question.
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Post by Knief on Mar 14, 2009 22:53:01 GMT -5
This is a stupid fucking idea.
If you want people not to drop out of your events, host good events or make them pre-pay.
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Post by Яoman on Mar 15, 2009 0:16:28 GMT -5
This is a stupid fucking idea. If you want people not to drop out of your events, host good events or make them pre-pay. Jeez Knief. Please critique why this is a "stupid fucking idea".
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Post by Koko on Mar 15, 2009 1:04:01 GMT -5
I am also kind of against this. So what if three people don't show up to an event? They missed out, not the other people that went. For most games lack of attendance is absolutely not enough of a problem to warrant starting a list of people that did not show up. The only reason we started one for farmington is because we had a limited number of spots available daily. This leads me to say that this list would turn into a ban list for games with limited numbers of players available, as thats the only time an absence of people is noticeable is at limited games...
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Post by SWAT A4 on Mar 15, 2009 1:26:39 GMT -5
I'm with Knief. 100%
It's a fucking game? That's why. Don't give any reason for Drama.
If my team was coming up with 13 guys...., it's going to be about $400.00 more in your pocket. Why risk banning players who don't show? And I don't want to give an excuse why I didn't make it, nor am I going to call you.
This "list" should be done on a team level if wanted, not on an event level. It's not that im worried about falling on this list, but when players don't attend an event, they have bigger shit to deal with. My teammate called me before practice last week telling me his dad had a heart attack. I'm not going to be like "Oh, I guess I can excuse you this time." It's assumed.
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Post by Tex on Mar 15, 2009 1:27:44 GMT -5
I held a prepay event... and allowed a more expensive pay at the door... 13 people out of the 34 showed up. I host great events, and it was 18+ Milsim. Those who played that game thoroughly enjoyed it. Out of all the games I've helped host, or have been around, they are all pretty much the same 50% turn out from those who have signed up. To me, that's utter bull crap. Something like this list will act as further incentive for those who don't plan on showing up to actually inform the host, or to just not sign up at all.
We're not talking 3 people... I wouldn't really worry if that were the common trend, but we're talking 50% and it's pretty much nonsense. Making things prepay is nice, but lets face it, people HATE prepaying. For some reason they are just extremely reluctant to do it.
It's extremely hard from a logistical stand point to host a game where half of one team just decides not to show up...
It's not that I don't understand that things come up, but when you're sitting there waiting for people to show up because they promised to come out, but they just NEVER show, you're stuck with a late game start and short a bunch of people. So now you have to make up game changes on the fly... It's a common trend that needs to stop. No call no shows get you fired from work, yet for some reason it's acceptable to fuck over fellow airsofters.
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Post by SWAT A4 on Mar 15, 2009 1:30:43 GMT -5
Prepaying sucks, but when it's $20 prepaid, or $30.00 at the door....
Prepay sounds great all of a sudden. What's there to lose at that point? If they don't want to pre pay, $30.00 isn't "crazy"
The problem is people end prepay like a month before the event, when no one knows what's going on. Give people up until the week before, and I'll send my money. But stuff happens within a month. Codename Thunder always worries me. Pay $70.00 2 months in advance and hope I can go that weekend.
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Post by Crazyman™ on Mar 15, 2009 8:39:44 GMT -5
I agree with Knief that this is stupid. Prepay or host better events, simple as that.
This isn't work or school, so people really don't have to validate why they didn't make it. Sure it'd be nice if people were more committed to keeping the numbers up for a better game, but who cares, it's just a game anyway. Besides, usually the smaller ones are more fun.
If they prepaid for your event and failed to show, fuck it... more money in your pocket. Why be pissed about it.
Most of the events in Michigan are mediocre at best anyway, ( I usually end up having fun with my friends ) but, I think they're usually way over priced.
Since I went to Winters-Fury and Rolling Thunder 2, and shelling out 140-160 bucks round trip for gas and then 25 or 30 bucks on top of that for shitty games, I refuse to pay that much for an event in Michigan. Especially if it's on the other side of the state. Granted, gas is about half of what it was for those two events, I still won't do it.
I honestly think 20 dollars an event in Michigan is a little steep for the quality of play, but that's just me.
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