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Post by redknight on Feb 3, 2009 10:01:46 GMT -5
I support the ban list for dangerous offenses. I'm not so sure how I feel about someone who doesn't call hits. I think if someone is repeatedly calling hits, they'll get a clue when no one likes them. That doesn't necessarily mean they should be barred from all events. But that does have its limits too. In terms of the dangerous conduct, go for it 100%. I support that. I agree with banning for saftey violations. then we just need an adequate number of refs at each event to catch people in violation of saftey rules..... has anyone thought of of seeking assistance from a larger, and nationally recognized organization such as the NRA? I know its a bit of a stretch but they are nationallly recognized and when they make rules, they tend to become laws. Becoming an officially chartered organization might help too. Legitimacy as a chartered org. might help with enforcing standards as well as getting support from government agencies. Other wise banning someone has the same effect as being kicked out of any other unofficial club at school or some other 'click'. But, a legitimate chartered organization with rigidly enforced standards could enforce such a ban, without being sued for it, and it would serve to better our image by showing a higher degree of organization, commitment and leadership. So I say move towards gaining official sanction from the govt, then establish policies to enforce safety rules, and then clean up the roster a bit.
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Post by Hatemonger on Feb 3, 2009 11:13:44 GMT -5
Instead of an open banned list, how about a closed event holders area where offenders could be discussed with out the immediate backlash from the community. If some one is repeatedly causing problems at different venues, it won't take long for it to be found out if organizers have a private area to discuss it with out all the flaming and bickering that would happen in an open discussion. This would also allow a mod or some other ranking person to inform the offenders of the errors in their ways, and give them an opportunity to change with out the public stigma of being a douche. I mean isn't that the main reason for MIA? To share, inform, and teach? not berate, belittle, and drag people through the mud for not knowing better or being immature. Sure some people won't change, but I think a lot would. And those that don't, public floggings all around, or a night alone in the woods with Crazy.
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Post by Ghast on Feb 3, 2009 13:22:00 GMT -5
I voted no, MiA has enough animosity as it is.
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Post by Zorak on Feb 3, 2009 13:26:36 GMT -5
Hatemonger and Ghast may be on to something, but sadly, we don't have flexible permissions yet. When/if Proboards adds the ability to put users in multiple groups and make boards visible only to those groups, setting up some specialized areas for event holders will be on my to-do list.
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Post by Tex on Feb 3, 2009 13:33:10 GMT -5
Zorak, how about a locked forum that only event holders are given the password to?
RedKnight, this is airsoft, Refs are very rare to have any large quantity of. It's up to the players to report safety violations.
And making MiA into something official is like beating a dead horse with a stick, it's not going to happen. I fought to make MiA a real website, but the original creator, Hadoken wanted nothing of it.
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Post by Hatemonger on Feb 3, 2009 13:34:44 GMT -5
Zorak, how about a locked forum that only event holders are given the password to? Beat me to it. It would be just like the team forums.
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Post by Livonia on Feb 3, 2009 13:46:23 GMT -5
Sounds like a good idea to me, but could cause a ton of drama. I think it would be most effective if there was a way to privately post a "Report" of an unsportsmanlike player.
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Post by M.S.-ARC on Feb 3, 2009 14:07:37 GMT -5
Zorak, how about a locked forum that only event holders are given the password to? Beat me to it. It would be just like the team forums. I like this idea as well that way it's not out in public where flame-ups can start. I'd suggest opening it up to two or three representatives from each event hosts so that you get accountability and verifying post from other members that will back any accusations or defenses. This way it gives MIA some kind of process to file the complaint to the event hosters and then the event hosters brings it to the event hoster group and mods to determine if something needs to be done or not.
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Post by Hatemonger on Feb 3, 2009 14:09:53 GMT -5
The problem with posting a report of unsportsmanlike conduct after the fact is that it doesn't really do anything other than to pit your word against mine.
If you see it, report it to the event organizer, then they could keep an eye on the offender and if they are indeed being a jagoff, they can then bring the info into the organizer area. Or even if the organizer doesn't see it they could add the offenders name to a list of "people to keep an eye on". Then if the offenses continue they can be dealt with.
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Post by GrinchBiscuit on Feb 3, 2009 15:41:43 GMT -5
Or even if the organizer doesn't see it they could add the offenders name to a list of "people to keep an eye on". Then if the offenses continue they can be dealt with. Basically a "Three Strikes" sorta rule. I also voted no, we don't need any more children on this forum being whiny bitches, after trolling MiA for the past week, some of the bullshit that has been posted has made me weep for the past, we don't need more of it. The event hosting Gods could set up something private, keep an eye on certain players, and if their dumb-ass behavior surfaces again they can be dealt with via PM. Nice idea Hate.
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Post by conscript ☭ on Feb 3, 2009 17:08:18 GMT -5
I voted maybe. The only way to make it work well is just having a admin like thread (such as the rules where they can post but regular members can not) so our event hosts can use it as a resource to police their own games. Next to each banned player's name on the list, there should be a reason and a field they were banned from. The only major problem I forsee is that we need to submit these bans to an admin, who would need to post them, and I'm almost sure our admins almost have better things to do. If we were to ban individuals from all MIA games, we may as well ban them from the boards.
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Post by Canto on Feb 4, 2009 0:20:37 GMT -5
I would support a private forum, like the "Mod Squad" for example. Or on the other hand, Armory Airsoft is willing to donate webspace to a collaborative between event hosters.
Either way, password protected and private is a for sure.
Ok, so cheating was a bad one. But stuff like unsafe conduct, illegal gameplay, etc
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Post by redknight on Feb 4, 2009 0:44:28 GMT -5
Zorak, how about a locked forum that only event holders are given the password to? RedKnight, this is airsoft, Refs are very rare to have any large quantity of. It's up to the players to report safety violations. And making MiA into something official is like beating a dead horse with a stick, it's not going to happen. I fought to make MiA a real website, but the original creator, Hadoken wanted nothing of it. I don't understand, why doesn't he want it to be official? making everything official/legal would gain us so much ground and open so many new opportunities to us, not to mention having some legal recourse versus cities that have policies prohibiting airsoftguns. Wouldn't it be better to have some tangible standards and some legal power?
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Post by GrinchBiscuit on Feb 4, 2009 0:55:25 GMT -5
Power happens. CAOC tried it, and last I checked, they collapsed under a bunch of guys bickering for power.
I prolly' have it all wrong, but that situation isn't too far from the truth at all.
This should be discussed in another thread.
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Post by Nexus on Feb 4, 2009 12:45:48 GMT -5
The question was: "Would you support the creation of an MiA banned player list for events?"
I voted no. For one, this board is not a policing organization. The individual event holders have all the right to ban anyone from their events, and can do so. As they have in the past. While it would be beneficial for event holders to share information with one another, a "MiA banned player list" suggests an organized official banning power centralized from these boards. Since these boards have no official power over state wide matters, I think it should remain the event holders prerogative to "ban" certain players, even perhaps in conjunction with other event holders. I would have no problem with such lists being maintained or posted on these boards, as long as individual event holders are responsible for bans on their own fields. Such lists should certainly be private among event hosters, for reasons already mentioned. A Michigan wide ban would seem only feasible if MI airsoft was in fact a legal organization with the ability to have such authority.
In short, I do not know why this is a public venture. Event holders can share and enforce bans already, without every MI player privy to lists of "bad people." It seems like we are trying to create our own version of a "sex offender registry," and overall that will just create more drama that we certainly do not need anymore of on these boards. While I fully support the removal of dangerous players from events, I think such an act can operate much more discreetly than public "naughty and nice" lists. Dangerous players must be reported immediately to event staff and then removed from the field (or corrected) immediately by event staff. I certainly hope no one would wait to report a dangerous player, until they got home to make a report to "official channels" to a regulative comity on the state level via these forums.
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