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Post by Casemier on Apr 24, 2006 18:27:19 GMT -5
lucky im going to put this in a pm so i dont also have to rip on u on the forums.
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Post by C.Martin on Apr 24, 2006 18:29:25 GMT -5
I don't understand this, and I more then likely never will. Bill attrachs more drama then any one else I've ever encountered. Bill was, and hell, maybe still is, dunno, havn't spoken with him in such a long time, a budy of mine. He loves to branch out, and he really does know the ins and outs. But at times he's confrontation, and at other times he's to business focused.
And on the subject of an M120 spring, its really not needed. I build my G36 upto 420 on only an M110 sping, and my girls M15RIS as well on an M110, other then some "magic" they just have standard bushings and shims.
/end rant
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Post by Wheeler on Apr 24, 2006 18:36:52 GMT -5
I will not delete my post, lucky.
And I'm not asking you to delete yours either.
I'm entitled to an opinion, and there it stands, no matter if it's offensive to 21st or not. And you can keep your little flame and harassment post, I'll leave it up to the mods to decide what to do with that...
You're on MIA, not 21st. People are going to have opposite opinions. Get over it. Not everyone loves 21st, even me at times.
I had to learn that the hard way... right guys?
But just to clear things up... we told Bill about MACA in person, he didn't need to be on the forums to know... but none of it matters since we were only joking around.
Case closed, I hope.
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Post by Wheeler on Apr 24, 2006 18:43:22 GMT -5
((Sorry to double-post...)) Thank you. If hear about something like this again, because I know you werent originally joking, theres going to be a more harsh response. What are you, my mother?! In case anyone is wondering, he did edit his post a few times. This is the original that we are all referring to: Ok, soundbyte, your story is so far up your ass that your making stuff up. Its especially ironic to judge people when you dont even own an aeg. Bill went to a duracoat gun-painting class when he went on the los alemos trip. He learned how to paint them proffesionally. Not a spraypaint can like you guys. 1st, he doesnt check the forums, and I know for a fact that hes not "stealing" your idea. Your little "MACA" fwiendship club doesnt do the quality job that bill does. Ive experienced your guns painted, and one of his first hand. Your patterns look like you crayoned them in 10 minutes. They appear to last about as long. He also has a much more safisticated process. If you want any more info on this matter, pm me or post more questions. Id be happy to set this straight. Seeing as little billy from friendship club "MACA" doesnt know two shits from what a real busniess is. Btw soundbyte, Bill doesnt need somebody that doesnt own more than a springer to stand up for him.
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Post by stopngo on Apr 24, 2006 19:20:07 GMT -5
yes, leave that up. You obviously started that topic about 21st with intent, or atleast a knowledge, that something like this would come about from it. Dont try to twist this around and make it my fault. I know Bill very well, he doesnt jack people and Ive never had a problem with him. Im not going to sit back and watch 21st take a cheap shot behind the back. I stand behind what I said and Im not about to try to justify what I said with "Oh, Im, just joking". Thats straight BS soundbyte. You, I, and Im sure many others know that. That only makes you look like a coward, as you will not call out your faults and resort to such an ignorant immature response.
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Post by Casemier on Apr 24, 2006 19:21:43 GMT -5
okay i am officially dropping from this flame battle.
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Post by Wheeler on Apr 24, 2006 19:25:35 GMT -5
Yes, lucky.. I intentionally start incidents like this. You caught me.
But really, I don't have to do much to start them.
I just post the personal opinion.
I can always count on people like you to start flame wars for me.
Little effort on my part is great.
Thanks, Lucky, for being so helpful in causing chaos.
((I really hope you caught the sarcasm...))
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Post by FISHMAN on Apr 24, 2006 19:26:25 GMT -5
stopngo how long have you know and/or been dealing with Bill.
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Post by stopngo on Apr 24, 2006 19:47:34 GMT -5
Bought from him a couple years ago. Started playing with him and have bought probably well over 1000 from his store with no problems. The reason I am called lucky, is because my guns break so frequently. But, in my opinion, I treat them quite well. Bill has also acknowledged this.
To get down to it, the reason I support Bill (and in this case, stand up for him) is because hes helped me out the most when I needed it. Whether it was parts when I wasnt in the best financial positions, or complete repairs for no cost. I bought an spc from him last year. I was completely broke afterwards. The piston stripped out on the second day. The next week something else happened. Then the next, and the next. Eventually the motor went bad and he replaced it with a brand new one out of his gun, on the field. He even threw in a few upgrade parts at times. Those are just a few of the occasions that I can remember off the top of my head. The total number of times hes fixed it without charging me is yet to be calculated. Long story short, hes spent more money out of his pocket on repair parts and labor, than he made in profit on the gun.
Im not telling you to expect the same from him now, as his policies have changed, time has passed, etc. But he stands behind his sales.
I have tremendous amount of respect for him, and you probably havent grasped the half of it from this post. This is just my reasoning for standing behind Bill in these situations.
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Post by Wheeler on Apr 24, 2006 19:50:46 GMT -5
Wow, lucky, I'm impressed.
Very nice post.
Clear, concise, great.
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Post by FISHMAN on Apr 24, 2006 21:33:17 GMT -5
Ok well go spend weekend after weekend at his place helping him with upgrades and repairs and then you can tell us what you think of his business ethic. I know the inner workings of his store and the shop.
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Post by Wheeler on Apr 24, 2006 21:50:47 GMT -5
And what do you think, fish?
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Post by Malak on Apr 25, 2006 2:08:52 GMT -5
Fish ,I too have put in a number of hours and hours in at 21st
All that is being said here has merit and good reason I'm sure .
Over the years Bill has made mistakes and spread himself and those that work there to thin ,but all and all him and his staff do work very hard to do the absolute best for there customers ,and offering paint jobs is believed to be one more thing that customers are looking for .(Not everyone has the talent to break down and paint an Aeg ). As for the like or dislike of Bill to each there own .As for the store please remember that Bill is not the only person you deal with the staff there cares and does there very best to help every customer to the best of there abilty. I know this because I have been one for some time ,and do it for no pay just love of a game and a community . Please understand I don't okay all the problems and mix ups but I would ask you to try and understand that there are people there that will do all they can for you as a customer and player of airsoft .
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Post by FISHMAN on Apr 25, 2006 14:13:45 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong I like Bill as a friend he is a great guy to hang out with and fun to be around, but the fact is his business ethic sucks in too many ways. First his airsoft shop is not his main priority the machine shop is, I understand this because that is where his main income is. Second he is trying to do to much at one time he is trying to deal with the airsoft community and at the same time law enforcemeant not only in Michigan but in other states as well. The other problem he has in my opinion is that when you need somthing ordered he wont order it untill he has a bulck order of around $2000.00, that is why a lot of peopls orders take 6 to 8 months or more. Don't even get me started on the repairs and upgrades, that is even worse.
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Post by Sub on Apr 25, 2006 16:43:56 GMT -5
^^ agree with fish...
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