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Post by cometdude2 on Oct 27, 2012 16:10:55 GMT -5
So I’ve done a bit of external upgrading on my CM but all I have on the inside is a MadBull tight bore. I am looking to get a little higher ROF with a 9.6 1400mah. I don’t want to go lipo because I am relatively new to airsoft and don’t want to break anything. My goal is about 20 rps. I want to leave as much stock as possible for budget reasons. I also want the internals to be reliable and last a long time. So what should I replace and what should I leave stock?
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Post by Master_Oki_Akai on Oct 27, 2012 16:29:19 GMT -5
Probably got your priorities a little confused here. Increased rate of fire I believe comes down to battery strength, gear set and the motor. Battery is easiest followed by the motor to swap out.
You could just leave it alone until something inevitably breaks and then upgrade. If you want to run a LiPo grab a mosfet chip and find someone to install it properly. As for reliability, again, you're likely better leaving it be till something breaks. It's no TM so any after market parts can help or hurt if you don't take care of it and keep everything cooperating.
Personally i dropped a few hundred on an all aftermarket gearbox that was not properly built and it tore itself apart before i got any real usage out of it. Then i opted for the Polar Star Fusion Engine and have been quite happy thus far.
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Post by Squirrel on Oct 30, 2012 20:55:15 GMT -5
I have a combat machine shooting 20rps with stock motor and a 9.6v. That being said, I put about $90 - $100 of internals into it.
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Post by Knief on Nov 1, 2012 9:22:31 GMT -5
secretsquirrel,
Your post is entirely useless unless you explain which upgrades you put into it to achieve that performance. Come on man, actually provide some help for the guy, since you did exactly what he wants to do. That's the point of the forum.
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Post by njn551 on Nov 1, 2012 11:33:31 GMT -5
Shim, lube/grease, correct AOE (use Sorbo for this), Swiss cheese the piston, get SHS 13:1 gears (possibly keep the G&G bevel gear). Good to go.
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Post by Knief on Nov 1, 2012 12:39:48 GMT -5
njn,
This isn't Airsoft Society, give us an actual explanation here. What is sorbo and how does you use it? What is AOE? Why should you correct it and why is it wrong out of the box? What type of lube do you use where? What does 13:1 mean? Why would somebody put cheese in their piston?
You know why AS sucks so hard? Because 90% of the members make posts like yours and there's no actual flow of knowledge. The dumb people stay dumb because they learn to rote memorize a single sentence instead of learning fundamentals. We don't do that here. We do our best to teach others. If you're too lazy to write out a few short paragraphs to help somebody understand why they should follow your upgrade list, then don't post the upgrade list.
Please, give it another shot, because I know you know this stuff better than I do.
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Post by Ike on Nov 1, 2012 13:26:58 GMT -5
njn, This isn't Airsoft Society, give us an actual explanation here. What is sorbo and how does you use it? What is AOE? Why should you correct it and why is it wrong out of the box? What type of lube do you use where? What does 13:1 mean? Why would somebody put cheese in their piston? You know why AS sucks so hard? Because 90% of the members make posts like yours and there's no actual flow of knowledge. The dumb people stay dumb because they learn to rote memorize a single sentence instead of learning fundamentals. We don't do that here. We do our best to teach others. If you're too lazy to write out a few short paragraphs to help somebody understand why they should follow your upgrade list, then don't post the upgrade list. Please, give it another shot, because I know you know this stuff better than I do. lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+correct+AOE+with+sorbothanewww.sqairsoft.com/how-to-correct-your-aoe.htmllmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+swiss+cheese+a+pistonwww.youtube.com/watch?v=MEVgmzVGLaISorbothane is a rubber-like material that absorbs shock and dampers vibrations. It is typically applied to the cylinder head to reduce impact on the front of the gearbox and correct the angle of engagement (AOE). The angle of engagement is the angle at which the sector gear engages the piston. Out of the box, without correcting the AOE, force is applied both "up" and "back" (for lack of better words) on the piston, which eventually causes the back end near the pickup tooth to be ripped off. Correcting the AOE allows the sector gear to engage the piston at a 90 degree angle and pull it straight back. When you do this, you'll notice that the sector gear comes in contact with the 2nd and sometimes 3rd teeth before it reaches the pickup tooth. To fix this, you need to remove the 2nd tooth of the piston, and also usually 1/3-1/2 of the 3rd tooth. Generally speaking, you want to lube the gears and piston rails, anywhere where there is going to be friction that your o-rings or other rubber parts won't come in contact with. Keep it away from your compression parts (cylinder, o-rings, nozzle) as best you can. White lithium is commonly used, but people will always debate over which is best. Your local auto parts store should have white lithium grease for sale (I use the Permatex brand). Some people use a little dielectric grease on the compression parts but I find this unnecessary. Put your piston head o-ring over a cylinder and heat it up to stretch it, then give all of your o-rings a little bit of silicone oil before putting everything back together. 13:1 refers to the ratio of the gearset. The lower the ratio, the faster the gears are. Standard gearsets are typically 18:1. A 16:1 set would give slightly better trigger response and rate of fire than a stock set. The 13:1 set would be slightly faster than the 16:1, and a 10:1 would be even faster still. The downside to faster gears is that your motor has less time to accelerate and provide enough torque to pull the spring back; although this is becoming more and more of a non-issue thanks to neo-magnet motors. www.airsoftmechanics.com/home/content/view/17/26/1/2/The idea behind swiss cheesing the piston is to make it as light as possible so that the spring can push it forward quicker. This boosts your rate of fire ceiling by preventing pre-engagement. Some people do it before they even come close to their rate of fire ceiling in an attempt to boost their rate of fire. Personally, I only use it for preventing pre-engagement, because there are far easier ways to increase rate of fire. You'll find people that advocate it for both uses, it's your choice to make.
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Post by Ghast on Nov 1, 2012 13:31:52 GMT -5
He was obviously being facetious, but thanks for the write up.
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Post by Knief on Nov 1, 2012 13:58:49 GMT -5
I wasn't, though I did exaggerate a bit. I miss the days when we responded to each other with posts that at least maxed out twitter's character limit. It's not spoon feeding somebody to explain the functionality of the parts and mods you're suggesting, especially when the last upgrade guide written here is about a decade out of date. Put the information into text on this board and then we can pretend like everybody should know it. Until then, elaborate a little.
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Post by njn551 on Nov 1, 2012 15:36:18 GMT -5
Sorry, I forget that other people don't always know what I'm talking about.
I would've came back with everything you asked, but Ike took care of that.
Next time I will do more explaining.
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Post by cometdude2 on Nov 1, 2012 17:08:38 GMT -5
Well I guess this kinda turned into a lesson, but seriously squirrel what internals did you use.
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