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Post by Mles on Jun 26, 2011 23:27:02 GMT -5
Greetings MIA, As I was sitting in my chair I always wondered why no serious IPSC scene has developed in Michigan. I understand that several fields have done some IPSC-esque stuff. I believe Dirty Dozen's field had some sort of gun challenges which actually went well. I want to try to bring a very serious and fun practical shooting experience to Michigan. Now some of you may ask, what is IPSC? IPSC is an acronym for International Shooting Practical Conference. Speed, dexterity, accuracy and essentially every skill you could think of are all tested during a IPSC match. The skills you develop and train during an IPSC match can also be used to improve how well you perform in a skirmish. Airsoft IPSC is very popular in Hong Kong, Japan and California. Most IPSC shooters put over $1000 into their target pistols. There are different types of matches that can be played. Certain matches have magazine cap's, ability to use optics and much more. To learn more about airsoft IPSC, follow this link... www.aaps-federation.org/index.htmlNow I am here to ask a simple question - how many of you would be interested in joining a club dedicated to practical shooting? I am planning on holding matches at Phoenix Tactical (A/C, indoors, nice set-up, storefront available) and perhaps expanding in the future. Obviously, at first, we will not follow all standards that the AAPS (American Airsoft Practical Shooting) lists, but as more members and the more experience the community gains join I believe our standards will rise greatly. The benefits of organizing into a club is pretty self-explanatory. An ability to organize matches and serve as an outlet for discussion regarding practical shooting will allow the chance for growth increase. Membership requirements will most likely be very simple - show up to IPSC matches. I am planning on holding the first meeting for the Michigan Airsoft IPSC Club sometime in the middle of July. Here, our potential members will be able to demo upgraded Target pistols, run courses and basically learn as much as we can fit in a fixed time period about practical shooting. Rules, requirements and any other standard will also be discussed and voted on. This will be a free event of course. This will most likely be held at Phoenix Tactical (still need to talk to Jay, I'm sure he'll be more than happy to suite us.) Here is some links to give you an example of airsoft practical shooting.. |
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Post by cqbr on Jun 27, 2011 1:31:54 GMT -5
Add a tactical portion geared towards more realistic stuff and myself and surely a handful of others would be interested. (The 1-second reloads and flared double stack race pistol bullshit isn't really my cup of tea)
PT would be a good spot like you said. I know the handful of shooting competition stuff I ran there over the winter was a lot of fun.
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Post by Thor on Jun 27, 2011 2:25:47 GMT -5
I think something like an IDPA-style course would be more popular. The speedshooting/racecar-gun type thing is probably going to have a smaller draw.
You're still getting the competitive feel as you still want to go fast, but a slower shooter who is more accurate can score higher than a fast shooter who is putting rounds all over the place. I also like IDPA because it can force shooters to perform drills they may not be comfortable with normally, which in turn will cause them to practice such drills and become more comfortable, thus becoming better shooters. There are some drills you can't necessarily perform in airsoft as you would in real steel, such as failure to feed/failure to eject or what have you, but there is still a bunch of stuff you can do. Shooting from barriers, shooting on the move, forced reloads, offhand shooting, basically any of the drills in the video I posted could be adapted to airsoft, and probably a bunch more that I'm not thinking of.
Now, how well any kind of shooting competition is going to work for airsoft is debatable. On the one hand, the guns usually don't have much recoil, but on the other hand, they have some inherent inaccuracy simply from the way they operate. I, like cqbr, would definitely be interested if it was organized in the manner in which I described above.
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Post by Knief on Jun 27, 2011 6:39:54 GMT -5
Ordinarily I'd be down, but PT is a long-ass way away from me. That's not a drive I'd be willing to make on a regular basis (that's the only reason I haven't been out there for a game yet). If you had a location a little further west or south, I'd be far more interested.
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Post by Mles on Jun 27, 2011 17:42:04 GMT -5
cqbr and Thor, I want to take a very simple approach to this, no strict IPSC rules would be set for most matches. Practical shooting is just that - practical. Thor, I don't expect to follow every exact aspect of IPSC, I want to actually encourage different tactical dynamics to take place in matches (I.E. Shooting around cover, shooting with one hand, etc.). I believe if I incorporate a more "tactical-minded" nature to the matches they will far more popular in Michigan. I'm sure someone with a 2011 and a C-More would perform far better than someone with a P226 in a match, but I really just want to bring the "fun" of practical shooting to Michigan, not the "competition". Perhaps later down the line a more competitive nature of the sport will develop. I don't want people to go out and buy $1000+ GBB's to use in matches, I just want people to understand practical shooting. Fish, I don't expect members to show up to every match, that would be ridiculous. As long as they contribute to the community and make it to at least one match, I'm fine.
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Post by triggs on Jun 27, 2011 17:53:32 GMT -5
That's probably why the IPSC/IDPA hasn't taken off in Michigan. More or less the idea of "practical" shooting for most players is the ability to hit a human sized target at X range. Something the IPSC certainly doesn't offer or judge for.
As far as practical pistol shooting goes, especially for me, involves hitting a target at around 15ft, 2 straight to the chest. No more, no less.
Perhaps it's the common misconception of IPSC/IDPA but neither really counts a 1ft wide bulls-eye as a "practical" shot. Guaranteed though, if it was a real bullet.......yeah 2 shots anywhere in the chest and they will be at the very least incapacitated.
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Post by Yankee on Jun 27, 2011 18:47:50 GMT -5
I could go for doing something of this sort. Just for something different. I also agree with Thor that as far as popularity goes: IDPA>IPSC
EDIT: In fact, I could see doing something like this, then breaking for lunch, and then offering some standard rec games being popular.
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Post by Ike on Jun 27, 2011 19:23:20 GMT -5
There's been a lot of great input in this thread, and the idea has evolved from something that was originally "meh" in my mind to something that I could definitely see myself getting into. Even if it is only loosely based on IPSC, a pistol shooting community within MIA sounds like a lot of fun. And I like the fact that we're trying to keep an even playing field by making this accessible to everybody in the sense that people won't need to put hundreds of dollars into their pistols to be able to compete and have fun.
Keep me updated Miles, I'll gladly give you a hand with organizing and running this.
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Post by Carnage on Jun 27, 2011 21:02:30 GMT -5
Would this kind of event be good for people (specifically speaking, me and my team) that just want to improve their pistol shooting accuracy since this is more for fun right now? We generally go to Phoenix often (last time we were their was Friday June 24) so attendence isn't a problem. The most we'd be using is our standard KWA pistols that we'll be using for all games and events, so nothing to outrageous.
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Post by Gunny87 on Jun 27, 2011 21:53:10 GMT -5
Personally I play airsoft because I get to shoot at other people and not worry about going to jail for life afterward...  When I feel like shooting targets then I shoot with RS firearms, however it seems like if enough of the community wants to do this why not? |
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Post by Thor on Jun 27, 2011 22:28:48 GMT -5
Personally I think it's a pretty good idea in general. Gives people ways to practice drills and such that they normally wouldn't get to in a game. Gives those of us that shoot real steel a chance to contribute to the community by imparting more of our knowledge, and also gives us an opportunity to keep up on our skills much cheaper than we would with real bullets.
I'm really liking this idea, and there's no reason you couldn't have IPSC and IDPA stuff at the same event. IDPA matches in real steel are organized into different classes anyway, so you could have a special class for IPSC guns or special courses for them, whatever you wanted really.
One thing I would suggest for any non-IPSC style events is using the IDPA standard of 10 rounds or less per mag. Forcing people to use real defensive capacities (the 10 rounds stems from the Clinton era, and so far IDPA hasn't seen fit to change that yet) forces people to consider shot placement and makes you loose time if you have to keep changing mags because you keep missing.
If you decide to go through with this Miles, I could definitely help with setting up IDPA-style courses. I've participated in a number of them in the past.
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Post by triggs on Jun 27, 2011 23:03:22 GMT -5
I might hop on this band wagon, perhaps host a west side event in conjunction if there's enough interest and miles, if you're interested.
I know some IPSC style events have been held in the past, but I don't remember hearing a lot of feedback.
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Post by Devil on Jun 28, 2011 18:15:55 GMT -5
If we get enough interest I know it shouldn't be a problem running it at our indoor location. I have always wanted Michigan to get into IPSC type drills. Thor I know me and Miles will be in contact with you soon for some help!
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Post by Mles on Jun 29, 2011 21:18:06 GMT -5
Alright guys, I'm going to talk to the guys at PT and get this rolling. If anyone has any ideas or can offer me any personal help it will be appreciated.
I am really looking for a guy who knows a lot about shooting to help me out and perhaps find me a few write-up's I can print out and hand out at the event.
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Post by oldmanjay on Jun 29, 2011 22:29:51 GMT -5
Miles this sound fine. I even have a group that does something like this once a month. There is about 6-10 guys so you already have a small group ready to go.
Also doing a westside group sounds good then you could have standings on here so we could include the whole state.
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